Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Yup this needs to be confirmed in the lab, so far it seems the electroplating of the inner tube is working as such, but am not sure, stranger things have happened  ;)we will have the outter tube done in the new cell to confirm, we can also go back an insulate the older cell afterwards if these results are encouraging.

[LtBolo]

I would gladly share open source results before making money. I didn't speak up to get something. I spoke up to give something.

You have clearly mistaken my motivation for the business argument. If the conspiracy to suppress is as strong as you suggest...which I still have trouble believing...then the best thing that I can possibly do is have many people doing the same work...safety in numbers. I just think that in the end it will take manufacturing and marketing clout to push the technology into the market with sufficient force to make lasting change. I also feel that in the end...if successful...the market for free energy products will be vast, and that there will be plenty of sandbox for all to play that wish to. I personally would not want to hold anything back or try to patent anything...too hard to hold on to...and in truth, it would be far easier to present the product as the embodiment of a public domain patent...no defense needed. While my company has developed a number of trend setting products in our market, we have never pursued a single patent...and we've been in business for 16 years.

As for believing or not believing...that is the problem isn't it. Science doesn't require faith...it requires facts. In scienc, requiring evidence isn't the lack of belief, but the basis for belief. I wouldn't be investing my money and my time if I didn't feel that there was a reason to be hopeful. But hope won't power our homes or cars, nor will technology, science based products will. Many of you probably do this as a hobby and if it works it's cool, and if doesn't, it was fun. I am doing this as a research project of my company and am investing money and time to detemine whether there is science here, money and time that could be spent developing products that I know will work.

It seems that you see the business angle as being greed based...sheesh guys...far from it. We've made millions already...been there, done that, got the tee shirt...and can easily continue doing it. The problem with the business angle is that I cannot invest years in unproven science...I simply can't pay the bills without selling stuff. So I'd like to collaborate with those who have demonstrated gas beyond Faraday to try to put together a workable theory of how it works...because with a theory we can find ways to speed the process up. Without theories, we'll condition our cells for months and wonder why it is so hit and miss.

So what have we found?

1. We have found that the circuits as described generally do not work as described under load. Mostly due to the input transformer core saturating due to a single drive direction. It is possible that if the cathode were coated with an oxide, it might reduce the load to a level that would not saturate, but so far we haven't seen anything to make us believe that it will do so. We have been able to generate the step charge effect, but never to 100s or 1000s of volts if connected to a cell, much less the 20kv that Meyers spoke of.

2. We have also concluded that the descriptions of LC resonance are simply wrong. Series LC circuits are not resonant in the way that parallel ones are. When we see stuff like that which is fundamentally wrong, it causes broader questions about the quality of the research.

3. We have built as least one tube set that was completely insulated, pulsed it at about 600 volts, and saw no gas whatsoever. I think they might've driven it higher still with CCFL inverter circuit we had laying around, I don't know the final drive voltage, but from what I heard from one of the engineers it was also a bust.

4. We have gunked and gunked several tubes, then put them under our microscope for analysis, but the only change we saw in the anode was that they pit and spall. That is just removing metal...not changing metalurgy. If the current is high, they pit big. If the current is low, they stipple. But in all cases, they are not leaving behind anything...just removing 316 or 304 SS and leaving more 316 or 304 SS behind.

5. We have spent good time looking over the coated cathode and have concluded that the calcium coating will never form a stable insulation. If others have and can prove that with in-circuit measurements, I'd love to hear that...but from what we've observed...the coating doesn't change in-circuit impedance. And even if it does, it certainly does not do so well enough to allow the kind of in-circuit changes necessary to hit K volt numbers across the cell.

What does all that tell me?

In short...as much as I want to believe the simple explanations that Stan gave...I don't. My gut tells me to look elsewhere, and I think the key might be in the fact that it takes months to 'condition' a cell. Given that a certain amount of nickel will be released from the anode, and given that some nickel compounds electroplate to the cathode, some percentage of the nickel oxide leaving the anode may eventually make it to the cathode. Given that nickel is the preferred metal of Mills hydrino process, and that potassium is identified as the primary catalyst (most water has small amounts of potassium), and that pulsed DC induces the reaction, it just seems very convenient to me as an explanation.

Others have descibed similar behaviors with a palladium cathode and lithium electrolyte, using a similar pulsed DC stimulus. Of course palladium is of the same series as nickel, and lithium of potassium, so it isn't hard to see that they might be the same reaction.

I also feel from looking at Stan's cell that he was placing more emphasis on acoustic resonance than most people seem to realize. The patent refers to a resonant chamber, the position that the tubes are mounted is appropriate for chimes, the curious metal tape that connects the anodes to the supply (at the bottom sides), and the tuning slots at the top, all point to a desire to let those babies ring. Acoustic resonance will induce cavitation when enough power is applied and cavitation is another area where anomolous energy has been observed.

So where does that leave us?

1. We are currently building a new drive circuit that uses a full H-bridge, suitable to drive the hell out of the cell. Not because high current is the answer, but because we feel that a high-enough current will be required to catalyze the reactions that my hunches push me toward. If Stan was driving 500 watts into a 9 tube cell, our experience suggests that the power supplies as described won't do it. And I don't know how to say it nicely, but at 500 watts...voltage isn't doing the work as he claimed...the 500 watts is. We should have our H-bridge working Monday or Tuesday.

2. We also ordered plating equipment so that we can nickel plate a tube set. It should arrive this week.


As of now, that is all we know. I can take pictures of tubes and gunk and circuits that tell absolutely nothing and waste bandwidth, but I would prefer not to.

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Thanks for the report!
We would be interested in Snaps of the new set up when done

[LtBolo]

You know the single most interesting piece of info I'd like to get my mitts on? A scope shot, with actual voltage levels, across one of Ravi's tubes while in operation...and...a scope shot across a 1 ohm reference resistor placed in series with the tube. That would tell me everything I needed to know about the waveform and actual power consumption. And I'll tell you what else...if I had a little stronger case that the input power really is only 6 watts...I'd dang near fly to India to make the measurements myself...

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

You know Bedini Agree's with you, he says its the Wave form that can do wonders not explored yet, and it is Tesla's  time wave form he spoke about.

Also a person said he put the Solid state he built from the free energy generation book on a cell and got amazing gas for 200mA. I say build a tiny tube, condition or insulate it and add the Bedini wave form that should tell you some thing as it uses the voltage potential as well. Just an idea.

Ash