Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[Grumpy]

I just threw that last post up in the air because someone in my forum floated the idea. I gave him smack down but thought I should get a second opinion.

I wonder if you pull a hard vacuum on some cold water and shake it for a while to degas it and then ozonated the shit out of it for a few days if you pour it into the intake of a car will it ignite?

I think that is what DDanvos68 was doing on youtube with his "charged water"

with an electric arc to start it

It was a good thing to look up, now I have a complete picture of each process involved in the system.  I had not really taken an in-depth look at the intake air before today.

[TheNOP]

there are 3 common methods of producing ozone.
1. Hot Spark
2. Ultraviolet light
3. Cold Plasma

"Ozone doesn't want to stay in that tri-atomic state very long and unless held in check or bound by other molecular couplings, ozone will usually break down from O3 to O2 + O1 within 20 minutes of so (at atmospheric pressure at least). "

"Hot spark (corona discharge) production was used mostly for industrial applications, but today you will corona discharge ozone available for personal application. Ultraviolet and cold plasma are most commonly offered in therapeutic work.

Cold plasma will produce far greater quantities of ozone in a given space of time compared to ultraviolet production. However, that is not to say that the ultraviolet method is not a useful method of producing ozone. When you want a smaller, steady trickle of ozone, then UV might be the better choice.

Some cold plasma units also have the capability of producing short-lived isotopes of ozone which include O4, O5, O6, O7 etc.   These isotopes are even more reactive than ordinary O3."

ozone is an allotrope of oxygen that is much less stable than the diatomic O2.
Ground-level ozone is an air pollutant with harmful effects.
be carefull experimenting with it.

[sparks]

    Doesn't hydrogen peroxide respond to ultraviolet light and give you some pressure.   I don't know just fishing here.  Vaguely rememeber something about the brown bottles being important to keep it from building up pressure. 
     I rather swim in a pool using ozone than a pool of chlorine any day.  It's the ability of ozone to be excited by uv into reaction mode that pickups the rest of the carbon emissions floating around that makes it bad.  Ozone show up in the damndest spots like tires where electrostatic charges build up and change your tires into little ozone cells.

[TheNOP]

Hi TheNop,

Do you suppose there are two reasons that Meyer needed to prevent  current flow?
1. To prevent welding his tubes together.
2. To produce a cold plasma.

Voltage is cold, i.e., a cool ionic breeze. Current is hot, i.e., an arc welder.

Do you have more information on cold plasma production and the voltage requirements to produce O4?

Also, I just got a mercury vapor lamp set up today to produce UV light. Is it better to produce O3 using UV and then take it to the next state with high voltage? I am having a little difficulty understanding how to best use the UV in conjunction with the HV to get the highest state output.

i am not sure how Meyer did it.
but for sure,

1- cold plasma is a partly ionized gas, generated in a high-voltage electric field at low pressure.

2-  the higher the potential is, the more amps try to get trough the water.
    lots of amps would melt the cell.


all i have red just state cold plasma can create other isotope than O3.
no where i could find how to get the other one to form.
i am presuming that the higher the voltage, the more you should get of the others.

what about those fogger's transducer some experiment with ?

[TheNOP]

i am not sure how Meyer did it.
but for sure,

1- cold plasma is a partly ionized gas, generated in a high-voltage electric field at low pressure.

2-  the higher the potential is, the more amps try to get trough the water.
    lots of amps could melt the cell.


all i have red just state cold plasma can create other isotope than O3.
no where i could find how to get the other one to form.
i am presuming that the higher the voltage, the more you should get of the others.

what about those fogger's transducer some experiment with ?