Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[Gheller J]

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject:   
Hi Kevin,

You could use the inner tube as a neutral electrode...by not connecting it with anything at all and connect the inner rod to the negative and the outer most pipe to the positive. From what i've read and seen neutral electrodes work...Joe's cell is a prime example of this.

Has anyone seen someone using neutral electrodes with voltage potential? well I havent.... looks like you have a new idea Kevin.... Definitely worth a try.

Ravi









Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject:   
Hi Hydrocars,

Well youre almost spot on! the resistance wire restricts the current draw into the WFC. Try it before the inductor and after the inductor...see which gives the highest output. You dont need the resistance wire during the conditioning of the tubes its only for reducing the current draw.

Even I didnt know what this was for.....Dave told me that it would reduce the current draw when used.

Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing....its all cold working....so you need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing. Im a metallurgist Hydro so you can stay assured about this. Its normal manufacturing procedure.

Which grade of SS are you using?
What are thicknesses of the tubes?
Are they seam welded or seamless pipes?


Ravi









Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject:   
Let me mention this again:


The best grade of SS to use is 316L

Next preference is 316,304L and 304.

L stands for Low Carbon in the SS alloy.


316L composition: %

Carbon : 0.03
Manganese: 2.0
Phosphorous : <0.45
Sulphur : 0.03 max
Silicon : 1.0
Chromium : 16 to 18
Nickel : 12 to 14
Molybdenum : 2.0 to 3.0

316 SS nickel range is 10 to 14% and carbon being 0.08%

304 SS has lesser % of Nickel and Chromium and doesn't have Molybdenum at all.


so judge for yourself which grade you would want to use.








Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject:   
Hi Hydro,

If you had told them to anneal in inert / nitrogen / Argon atmosphere it would be a bright finish.

Well if bright finish wasn't a criteria you could just use a gas torch to heat it up till red hot and let it cool off slowly...but you would end up with a blackish bluish discoloration. This is due to the oxide layer formation on the surfaces. I dont know if oxidised pipes work better but they do have high corrosion resistance. For all we know you might end up getting better outputs than any of us or the other way round but definitely worth a try.

If it doesnt work that well you could disassemble the pipes and use sand paper to remove the oxidised layers. They are usually a few microns thick.

Your spacing would be 1.585mm or almost 1/16 inch (1.5875mm).


Ravi









Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject:   
Hydrocars:

If you had told him that it was to be annealed in one of those gases then you would get a bright finish on the annealed pipes.



Chemelec:

Every metal or alloy when cold formed or cold worked has to go through a heat treatment process to relieve the internal stresses. Its finished and supplied in annealed form. I have my own industry and we work on stainless steels, inconels, cupronickels,....... and precious metals like gold aswell for the semiconductor industry and we need to anneal not just at the finishing stage but in the intermediate stages as well for further cold work. Annealing is a compulsory procedure in every metal working process unless you require high temper and uneven stresses within the work piece. By the way High Carbon Steels go through another heat treatment process called patenting....these are high tensile strength steels and widely used in spring making.

Please stay assured that we do anneal Stainless Steels at our plant. If you didnt know even the copper wires you use everywhere are annealed....this is done on the wire drawing machines itself.


Kevin:

I'm sorry I didnt notice that you had mentioned Stephen F. Meyer's 2005 patent application..... i have gone through this some time ago.

I think its definitely worth a try. I'll see if I can do something aswell....thanks for reminding me..



Ravi







Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject:   
Hi everyone,

I've uploaded two more videos with the new leads connected up until the bottom of the WFC.

A lot of small bubble generation this time around. WFC gets fogged up. Need to check if there's any improvement in the outputs. The leads dont get hot....but need to check with prolonged use.

WFC leaking...so cant do the gas output test right now. This thing will take time I guess.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WsKOdxLIJU


2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw


Let me know if anything else need to be done.


Ravi





Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject:   
I,ve switched on and switched off the Freq. Gen twice in the second video to clear up any doubts some might have that there could be a another source than the freq gen input.

Ravi







Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:45 am    Post subject:   
A few people might be confused why im posting the below...actually its a respose to hydrocars mail on youtube


Dont worry about anything Hydro once you get your tubes i'll guide you through. The higher output is all to do with the inductors in the D14 circuit and conditioning mainly and slightly through the resistance wire to reduce the current draw. Even without the resistance you can get the same output but another 0.3 to 0.6 amps extra but I feel this could be offset by making a bigger inductor. Just go on conditioning and keep reducing the Amp draw to the WFC gradually and the generation would kind of remain the same even at very low Amps. Once you condition the tubes your generation will dramatically increase and the current required will fall by leaps....this took me almost 3 months approximately to reach these outputs.


Incase any one tries to stop me its point less as everything I did and I know ive already posted on this forum. Its just following them and you'll be successful!! I want as many people possible to replicate what I did.....this truly belongs to the world!!!


I'll see if I can post pictures of how much I was generating when I was conditioning...I had videos as well.. let me check...I think i'll post them as soon as I find them...this might help.


Ravi








Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject:   
I'm Posting the video of Dave's aswell......this was the new updated WFC with inductors added to the old D14. This is to remove any misconceptions that his D14.pdf doesnt work that well.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxiwgVTy88


Ravi







Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject:   
I've tried posting Dave's video twice but both the times it got corrupted. So I just searched an alternate posting link.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiA4z_Kpgg4



Ravi






Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject:   
Hi Everyone,

I've posted a few pictures taken some months ago when I was conditioning the WFC. You'll be able to see the kind of generation I was getting and the amount of brown muck being produced. Couldn't find the videos...but the pics tell you the whole story.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3079.0.html

I had to post the pics on www.overunity.com as I couldn't in this forum. There's a parallel forum running on the same topic there. the above link is direct to the topic page. Incase that doesn't work please goto the link below and the topic there is 'Stanley Meyer Replication with low input power'


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,8.0.html


Ravi






Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject:   
Hi Chris / Kevin / Bob,

Someone has posted a few pics of what looks like Meyer setup in the projects under the name Dave.

This person seems to have used three tubes for each pipe set. This was the neutral plate setup I was talking about a few posts ago.

Can someone dig some info on this. The link is


http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/DAVE


Ravi







Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:21 am    Post subject:   
I havent been able to connect to oupower for the last few hours...is something happening??

I've posted a few pictures of WFC under construction and the progress thereon progress.... on overunity com....these were old pictures some in Oct / Nov '06.... incase it helps...


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3079.30/topicseen.html


This could keep you engrossed for a while Hydro..

Ravi








Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject:   
I use the 555....never checked if it was heating up!

Your spacing would be the same as Dave's and Stan's.... i.e., 1.5875mm or 1/16 ".

My outer tube thickness was 14 SWG or 2.032mm so thats the reason why the spacing was lesser. The inner tube should've been 19.05mm but you can see in the pics that its 19.930mm.

Goto page 3 of this thread i've posted the calculations for the spacing.





You need to make changes as per the updated D14! the older one doesnt work that well !

EVERYONE PLEASE USE THE UPDATED D14 CIRCUITS ONLY NOT THE PREVIOUS VERSIONS.

Patrick had updated these on June 2nd 2007.

Incase you have doubts please got to the following link and carify to the page 7 circuit:

http://panaceauniversity.org/D14.pdf





Hydro, if you are going for a bigger setup than Dave's. Then,

Change the 100 ohm 0.25 watt resistors to 0.5 / 1.0 watt resistors depending on the increase in exposed surface area. I use 1 watt.

Ravi





Continued to part 4

[Gheller J]

Not everything mate like the conditioning and stuff. Its all consolidated posts of ravzz from oupower so you dont need to find that thread.

There r people here finding out if it was Seamless or Seamwelded....its all in here.

Gh. J.

[RunningBare]

I was not aware that I was flinging any insults, but I notice that you chose to, mind you, I do not mind Bareass, I find it funny, though I'm sure you did not mean it to be funny 

Lets see if RB is as good at reading at he is at flinging insults..


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_rothschild_bloodline.htm

(doubt it)

[Gheller J]

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject:   
Alright people there's something really weird happening in the WFC.

Dave had mentioned some time ago that there's some glow in the dark.


I just checked it in pitch dark..... theres some kind of orange glow coming from the bottom of the WFC but cant make out exactly from where... tried taking pics but didnt work they got all pixulated.


Any idea what this could be??

Will get back in a day or two.


Ravi






Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject:   
Rich SAS:

I have no idea what it was. It was an orangish glow and comes intermittently for two or three secs then goes off for a while, you cant see any glow on top of the tubes but only at the bottom....cant be the leads as theyre enclosed in plastic piping and the point where the wires are spot welded is also covered with silicone sealant....you can see this in the pics I posted. Could be Radiant Ener but thats what was happening....this couldve been happening all along but I never noticed it as I was always concentrating on the generation at the top of the tubes.


There's a theory that they could be HV discharges....possible


Chemelec says it could be contamination...possible...as its plain tap water and not filtered for particulates aswell.

Any other possibilities?



You're the man Kevin!! Do let us know if it works.



Hydro:

I havent changed the resistances at all but only increased the wattages of the ones which got burnt out.....

Being a Mechanical Engineer I dont know too much about electronics. i got my circuit made by somebody and when ever there were problems I got them rectified by the same person and kept track of what changes he made and I've told you what the changes were.

I'll check if the circuit is generating any heat. I havent till now.

I think you should mail your variations to Patrick at

engpjk@yahoo.co.uk

he could discuss these with Dave and get back to you.


Ravi








Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:08 am    Post subject:   
Check this post for the same thread in overunity.com ....this could be of help!! Im pasting it here for reference:








Ravi,

Do you know the approximate frequency at which you are applying the square wave pulses to your WFC?



The reason why is related to some research I did with a well known 'water as a fuel' research group.....


Here was the crux of my interesting finding:

The findings are based on this youtube video from Dave Lawton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwbvsya3Ek , WATCH IT!


[4/1/2007 3:40:25 PM] Tao says:
Just doing a simple calculation a tube in plain fresh water, the equation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_resonance shows f=(n*v)/(2*L) where n corresponds to the harmonic, v is the speed of sound in the water, and L is the length of the tube....

So, lets simplify this equation, n can be always 1, v is 1435 m/s in fresh water according to Wikipedia.

So, f = (1*1435)/(2*L) = 717.5 / L = f , Just for fun, lets take the frequency Dave was producing Hydroxy at in his latest video on Youtube: 3425.781Hz

So, 3425.781 = 717.5 / L , L = 717.5 / 3425.781 = 0.21 meters , So that would be 8.27 inches long.... So, how long in inches are Dave's tubes? Just curious........


[4/2/2007 11:26:20 PM] Tao says:
So, I asked how long Dave's tubes were, well, I looked up how long they were from an old post Dave did on the original forum back in 2004...


[4/2/2007 11:26:44 PM] Tao says:
Dave said that his tubes were about 12.5-13cm (which is about 5 inches long)


[4/2/2007 11:27:39 PM] Tao says:
so, calculating that into the equation: 717.5 / L = f , we have 717.5 / 0.1275 = f , so f = about 5650Hz


[4/2/2007 11:28:21 PM] Tao says:
So, based on what it says at the END of that video on youtube, it says that the hydroxy was being produced at 3425.78Hz


[4/2/2007 11:29:00 PM] Tao says:
BUT, they acoustic frequency came out to be 5650Hz, so I said, 'oh, too bad' seems there isn't much of a connection, I guess I need to
do more research'


[4/2/2007 11:29:10 PM] Tao says:
UNTIL, I just watched that video again..........


[4/2/2007 11:29:50 PM] Tao says:
Look at what Dave was pulsing his DC at in the video: 5714Hz!!!!
At 1:11 in the video you can see what he was pulsing at.......


[4/2/2007 11:30:58 PM] Tao says:
Based on the equation for acoustic resonance, Dave was pulsing his tubes at the EXACT frequency at which those tubes will resonate ACOUSTICALLY in FRESH WATER...



So, my finding was basically this:

Dave found the BEST gas production at the VERY SAME frequency that just so happens to be where his tubes resonate ACOUSTICALLY IN WATER... HMMM...

Maybe it is nothing at all but a coincidence, but maybe there is just something to it........................
? Last Edit: August 26, 2007, 09:02:47 PM by tao ?







Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject:   
Alright People some have been very skeptical about the volumes I mentioned....so this video is for especially for them!!



Sorry about the bad quality....the natural light wasnt there like in the videos 7 & 8......so you need to adjust with this till I make a fresh one with better lighting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMSUe76PZLQ

Well Hydro looks like you were right the WFC seems to be producing more!!
1.31min into the video the gas collection was started and stopped at 1.51min of the video......20 secs to be exact.

The gas collected was over 150CC could be 160 / 165CC....
As some might say that there could be Steam / Vapour / Mist......lets just take the output as 150CC in 20 Secs.

This comes to 7.5CC of HHO/Sec at 0.48A - 0.50A.

Last I checked with the old leads was 7.0 CC HHO without any thing removed from the generation.

I'll catch up in a day.


Ravi









Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject:   
Hi

I've posted another video showing the Input voltage....the input current on both analogue and digital meters.

I've switched off the left part of the circuit with the switch on the pin 3 of the 555 and you can see that the current draw increases over fourfold and you cant see any pulsing on the right LED. The left LED is connected before the switch on pin 3.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFrw3xxDow



Please check the posting on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFrw3xxDow
aswell as there might be something I answered on that thread that might not be here.


Ravi









Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject:   
The thread link mentioned above is

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3079.0.html


Ravi






Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject:   
RadiantEnrG:

Evrything needed for the replication is already in both the threads....including some pics of WFC under construction and conditioning and the muck generation.

Dave's circuit works fine for the pipe sizes he mentions in the D14 with the same spacing!

Eric:

Maybe try on a single tube and see if it works....the space is a major constraint....its around 0.670mm.....i'll see if something can be done.


Opmeyer:

The resistance depends on the impurities in the water and my leads are 316L...so even they give you a resistance....but it looks like the generation has increased when I reduced the length of the leads both +ve and -ve.

Uneven lengths are fine when the variations are in mm. See to it that the outer pipe is shorter than the inner for the circulation.

Conditioning is the most important aspect of the whole build. See the pics of my conditioning I posted in overunity.com....I was hardly generating any gas....but it keeps increasing as you progress.

There are exposed 316L leads outside the WFC in the red insulation tape. If they heat up the tapes would burnup before it gets hot inside the WFC with water in it. If the wires got hot inside the WFC the water should have been boiling! or it should atleast warm up like the regular electrolysis. It doesnt.


Ravi










Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject:   
I dont think i can post anymore.

Pl be careful about what you say on the forums

Good luck









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