Mehmet?s BackEMF pulser circuit

[gyulasun]

Hi Mehmet,

I included two current meters in your circuit drawing (see below) and would like you to measure the current draw from Battery 1 and the current your 12V light bulb draws, ok?

The capacitor symbol in parallel with the current meter and battery 1 indicates 3 capacitors in parallel to cure/ease pulse measurement problems associated with digital current meters.

I would like you to use 2 current meters at the same time so that you should see them both when Relay R1 is switched off and then you operate Relay R1 with your timer and the output lamp will be very bright.
I expect nearly the same current draw in case 1 (when there is no R1),  and there must be a significant difference in the current values if you operate R1.  If you can use a third DMM to measure the DC voltage across the output bulb, it would be also great.

If you can only use one current meter, then please measure first the current draw from Battery 1 in both cases of R1 off then R1 on,  then place the meter to measure the bulb's current also in both cases of R1 off then R1 on, ok?

Would you mind doing these current/voltage measurements and report what you find?

Thanks
Gyula

[z_p_e]

The generation and reclamation of bemf is one of THE most talked about topics on many forums, including this one.

I repeat, there is nothing unconventional about this circuit, and it is not ou.

I am not new to this particular subject, so I am not just commenting as a "pc hero".

Even if you take these measurements correctly (which as described in the above post is not the correct way), you will find RMS power out is less than RMS power in.

Claims based on bemf pulsers are made every other day it seems, but only because folks don't fully understand what is going on in the circuit, AND they never seem to make proper power measurements either.

We've been around this block several times already in the past, but if folks choose to go again, then so be it.

At least you should learn something in the process.

Darren

[gyulasun]

Hi Darren,

I agree with you in that my current measuring suggestion above is not a professional one but perhaps for an average home experimenter (without oscilloscope) it may serve and give a useful insight whether the idea has any OU merit or not.

I also share the opinion of yours on back emf: regaining it is not ou in itself, for it fully originates from the input power and there are inherent losses.

With my current measuring suggestion I hoped to draw Mehmet's attention to practical reality but now I realize if measurements are incorrect I may even force one's belief in this back emf regaining circuit he built as a ou circuit...

Regards
Gyula

[z_p_e]

Gyula,

Proper measurements will yild proper results, and even taking "average" power measurements may be useful as you say.

No offence to this gentlman, but it's as if he has been living inside a closet for the last 20 years, discovers that you can pulse a coil and get bemf, that appears to be lighting a bulb with more power than a steady-state surce. Then he comes out claiming that there is power, voltage, and current gain in the design, and therefore is overunity, WITHOUT even taking any reliable or correct power measurements.

Well, welcome to reality...it isn't overunity, it is pulsed power. If the input power and output power are integrated over the time it takes for one pulsed cycle, one would find that although the peak power on the output is perhaps much greater than the steady-state input, overall, the power output is somewhat LESS than the input.

If I take a AA battery and transistor to step charge a 1000uF capacitor to about 100VDC, then abruptly discharge the capacitor through a 1 Ohm load, I could have a peak current of 100A. The rub is that this current is only for a few milliseconds. Does that mean it is overunity? No.

Darren

I have to say for myself, I am getting quite tired of these types of claims.

[Mem]

<<Well gentleman (Darren and Gyula)
You have made valid points in your posts. Nevertheless have you honestly fooled around with back emf?
Have you actually experiment at first hand, charge and discharge various induction coils and what happens during that process? Have you tried to harness the discharge of induction coil either in capacitor, battery or using a light bulb?
If you haven?t and you claim you do you are a provocateur ! (purposely misleading  people)
I did a lots of experiments using a car battery that had less then a 5 amp in direct measuring the dead battery. 
After pulsing that battery less the 20 min. using above circuit dead battery was charged greatly, so much that when I short the wires of the battery I did not dare to try and take direct amp measurement, or else it would be fatal to my small amp miter.
This circuit can't be test it without any load at all! Or else will burn the relay contacts, high amp relay will burn the wires. (I have seen it many times) insulation starts to melt down first.
Gyula, taking measurements on a pulsing dc circuit by analog miters is not quite possible. Mesurment won't be accurate.
I wish some one would do above test with the scope and let us know what wave form will say.
Input v/s out put of a transformer.
The circuit is super simple; most people have all these parts at hand to test my findings.

Just do it fellows, by doing so you get your "personal" verification. Pointing the finger at me and accusing me with false claim indirectly, wouldn't be fair. That's not the reason I post my research here. I did, to give it away to world wide community simple way of harnessing energy, that people overlooked and miss the point all together.

If you honestly interested to see the results, just do the test above, that?s all I say to you! Larger the transformer will yield higher return.

Many people read this posts, therefore I hope that some one out here will replicate this and publish their findings. If there is no use of this circuit at all, then I'll ask Stefan to delete this Back emf form altogether. So busy people won't waste their time reading useless information here.
Mehmet.>>