Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

[aleks]

Straight "Electron" movement (Physical) is
no-where near the "Speed" of the Electron Effect.  Potential energy Is faster than the Electron
Effect.

I'm a bit uncertain of what you meany by 'electron effect'.

Potential energy cannot be 'faster'. Potential field is a field that causes bodies to gain velocity hence a so called potential-to-kinetic energy conversion occurs - but the velocity a body gains solely depends on the potential field differential: if it is small, the velocity gain will be small. In the essence, potential field possesses long-range action qualities, it is a DC field (I'm talking about electron's charge field, not about EM field). However, since potential field never exists without physical carrier, it cannot move in space faster than the carrier can move.

[aleks]

My Bad

For Me, When I refer to a potential field, I am refering to what some call a Longitudal wave
or the form of radiant energy that Tesla worked with so well.  It is well known, and proven
by experiment, that this type of "wave" or "Effect on the ether" as I reference it in my mind
actually travels faster than C.  There have been many tests done to prove this.  As I said,
it is hard for me to put my thoughts into words.  There IS NO MASS required to propogate
this type of "Wave?".  Just as an EM wave can travel in space, so can, what I call, a Potential wave.

I confuse people a lot because of my poor use of terminology.  Sorry about that.

I understand. In my opinion, actually electron possesses this 'radiant' field, and it is constant. However, as I've replied, this field cannot "live" without its carrier. This field can work as a potential field for surrounding objects. I would not call it a 'wave' right from the beginning.

So, what do you mean by 'electron effect'?

[aleks]

My Bad Again.

What I am calling the "Electron Effect" is the normal electrical effects that we all see.
"Electricity" movement down a wire is NOT the same as Electron Movement down a wire.

To keep it straight in my own confused mind, I call the "Electricy" movement the "Electron Effect"
to keep it seperate from the actual electron movement, which is a physical, in normal 3D, motion.

Sorry Again, but this is why I need you guys to keep me on track.

Well, 'electron effect' then means EM wave propagation? It is known that electron movement causes EM waves along the wire, which also contribute to EM field that surrounds wire.

[aleks]

Obviously, if Magnitism were caused only by the movement of electrons, then the mag
field would HAVE to move at the speed of the Physical electrons (If you accept they exist...)

No, it's not. I know this is strange, but it is a widely-supported dogma that electrons while travelling slower than C produce EM waves that travel at C. It is EM wave that creates magnetic field, electrons have nothing to do with it. Electrons carry "charge" field (which is a potential field), it is not a magnetic nor electric field. Magnetic and electric fields are created by EM waves.

You may see this as electrons striking each other: on collision they emit EM energy around them which travels faster than electrons themselves, that creates a kind of chain kinetics propagation.

Well, I myself may be wrong about that, but it's the only possible way for me to describe the "electricity" phenomenon.

BTW, no need to shut up - be as constructively aggressive as possible.

[aleks]

But I digress, if you accept that "EM" is the cause of the "Electron" physical movement,
does this mean that the chemical battery is using EM at the particle level, and therefore
not considered in the normal chemical reaction?  Or maybe RE transform due the chemical
reaction altering the bonds at the molecular level?  Just looking for ideas...  Thanks

Chemical battery changes chemical bonds and this releases electrons that immediately go into opposite side of electrode where they can find their place within a new lower-potential-energy chemical construct. During this "potential field travel" electrons emit EM waves and can be made to do other useful work. Why they emit EM waves? I've gave my vision: when electrons collide during their "potential charge field travel", they cause EM waves. Of course, I'm talking about free electrons. Chemical reactions do not change matter - they only change chemical structure and thus change potential fields where free electrons are "floating". So, when chemical structure is changed, free electrons also rearrange their positions and quantities.