Smot - A New Approach

[Pirate88179]

@Omnibus:

The reason I asked is because, from everything I have read on here, the closed loop SMOT appears to be one of the holy grails. This looks to me to be the real thing.  However, your point about redistribution of initially imparted energy is well taken.  I would like to see a video of this where it starts from a dead stop, with a slight push of the sphere. But, even if proved to not be OU, I give the man credit for a very interesting device.

Bill

[Omnibus]

The device is very interesting, no doubt. And, in all likelihood this is a machine continuously producing excess energy (energy from nothing). It is very unfortunate that Finsrud doesn't want to cooperate in clarifying this trivial concern by a very simple experiment. I've seen (and I have a video of it) how Finsrud initiates the rolling of the ball. Doesn't seem likely that those slight pushes may force the working of the device for days. Besides, I've analyzed with 0.001s precision the time between two clicks and it appears that the ball slightly accelerates during the ~40min run. Nevertheles, for the sake of a rigorous argument some additional very simple experiments have to be made in order to exclude definitively that it is a very efficient redistributor of the in itially imparted energy.

[Freezer]

Probably couldn't work, I'm not sure how this center punch works or if the force to compress it could be lessened.  Anyone?



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[JoinTheFun]

@Bill
I agree with Stefan that the SMOT needs to be longer.
Looking at the Lego SMOT video I noticed that the ball got stuck when not introduced at the beginning of the ramp, but every other time, it just dropped of.
Gaining momentum does it, I think.
Your idea of dropping it through a hole sounds fine, but maybe an easier way would be to combine another poster's idea of a closed tube loop with your 'drop in a hole'-idea, by not letting the tube go up the entire ramp, but guide it down gradually, away from the top magnets.
An alternative might be, to have a couple of extra top magnets that widen just a little instead of converging.

@Stefan
I've seen a lot of videos, but never the Greg Watson or Epitaxy closed loopers.
Would you guide us there, please ?

[HopeForHumanity]

I don't have any materials to build a smot, but I have had some ideas. I have been told that when the ball is sent up the smot it has decreased momentum when it reaches the top, because even though the magnets may be pushing it, gravity is still pulling it down. If it decreases in momentum when going up, will it gain momentum going down? Say you have a smot that is going straight up; when it reaches the top, it doesn't have much momentum left. But what if we kept going up, over the side of the support, and started going straight down? To me it would start to gain momentum. However, the magnets on the other side will be effecting the ball through the support, thus the support will have to be made out of a material that will block the field. We could possibly use magnetic shielding. If the device is large enough could it gain enough momentum to escape the sticky spot as it reaches the end? Then as the ball is falling because it escaped, we could add a hole in the support with a funnel and tube to channel it back through into the other side, then getting sucked back into the magnetic field and the entire process is repeated all over again.

I have not had any experience with building smots, and I would like others input on this idea. To me, it seems very probable that it could become perpetual.