TPU - General Discussion

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Great points. I think we should disregard the reasons for where the ether is comming from and just concentrate on the pratical aspects. We could always work out these questions once our reading lamps are lit with an open TPU.

For the collectors, I think someone should draft an official description of what a collector is. How does a collector collect to become a collector? And maybe what is the main differences in construction of a coil and an inductor.

But, if you define a coil as an initiator of a field and a collector as an attractor of a field, then the coils and collectors on the open TPU could physically be either or.

Both components could produce electro-magnetic fields and both components could induct or react to electro-magnetic fields.

The only concrete physical clues we have on the coils and collectors is;
- coils #1 and #2 receive a magnet, and
- The collectors get hot enough for SM to do a three touch then pick up. He then says "these things do PUT OUT some heat".

Usually when you say Put Out, I remember my father would say this also for some components that are driven when a faulty component in a circuit caused other components to put out heat. These were all driven.

My gut tells me the collectors getting hot all shout out, "Hey, we're not collectors already!!!. We're the ones turning the fields both ways around the coils, that are not coils but inductors". Why would you put a magnet on a coil. I've done this millions of times like everyone else, does not do much. But put a magnet on an inductor and away you go.

I just can't comprehend how much magnetic field transfer there would have to be, to accomplish such a heating up of the collectors. It's just does not make sense. Does an antennea heat up when it catches radio waves. Then why would a collector. If a collector was collecting field action, logic has it that it will only collect what it can and leave the rest in space. It could not collect so much as too heat up.

So what I am thinking is the four collectors are not the collectors. They are used to procude the mag fields.

If you pulsed the collectors in two's but in alternating polarity, each set of two collectors would be like a turning ball. Each ball would turn around one of the coils #1 and #2. The third coil is vertically placed and could be used as a single control coil since it is facing both sets.

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[BEP]

Since there is discussion about frequencies here and this question is about my current TPU attempt maybe someone has an answer.

When figuring coils characteristics one of the first things I do is use it as an antenna and connect it to my scope. This just to see where it performs best with ambient noise and signals.
I've done the usual to isolate possible sources - killed the mains for my house - bench is in the basement - gone to battery for equipment power - disconnected grounds - so on.
I keep seeing a very short group of AC complex sine about every 150ms and regular. I'm talking about very small amplitude generally around 80mv at the mid high point. It ramps up and back down in equal time frames. The width of the signal envelope is about 10ms.

Does anyone have previous experience with something like this? The coils I'm using are the ones I posted a pic of earlier in this thread (the green ones). This signal is from one of those coils. This coil is not attached to any other device. The orientaion doesn't effect the signal seen.

Thanks

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BEP

Have you tried just shorting the scope ground to the probe to see if anything is there?