TPU - General Discussion

[tao]

I'm realy stuck on this simpler LINEAR concept derived from the TPU, can't you tell?   LOL 

If this doesn't work, then we know it has to be the CIRCULAR nature of the TPU, that makes it work.


Here's a simpler setup then my previous one.   Just a rod with magnets attached at the end.  The magnets also BIAS the Iron. 

How much simpler can one get?

EM

It's a beauty EMDevices!

Unless it has to be circular for some reason, I too think the linear version should be just fine for testing ...

So, at the fundamental resonant standing wave frequency, there would be maximum displacement of the iron rod and the magnets, which should move the magnets at the ends of the iron rod VERY quickly back and forth, thereby inducing a good amount of power into the end coils.

Do you think the input energy requirement will drop as it approaches this fundamental frequency? It probably doesn't matter, because we should see ample output at the end coils nonetheless.

[EMdevices]

thanks tao,Ã,  I belive we should see a drop in input energy at any kind of resonance, but even if that doesn't happen, I'm counting on that powerfull expansion and contraction due to magnetostriciton.Ã,  Ã,  This phenomena is like an AMPLIFIER.Ã,   With little magnetic field we can align a bunch of domains, and hence produce a ton of force.Ã,  That's why the magnetic constant of these feromagnetic materials is so high (in the thousands).


The only thing that complicates things in this linear concept is the MUTUAL coupling between the input coil and output coils.Ã,  That's why I show the spacers between the magnet and iron rod.Ã,  Ã,  The larger the spacer the less we have to worry about this mutual coupling.Ã,  It might be good it might be bad, I don't know at this point.

With a CIRCULAR setup we don't need to worry about this, because all the flux is TRAPED by the toroid.
The vibrating ring in LONGITUDINAL MODE, basicaly expands and contract, changing it's radius.

Oh well, I'll experiment with the linear model first and then move on to circular, like the open TPU.

EM

[tao]

@EM & TAO

@tao, your idea is clearly insane, if you do not desire the TPU to be portable why bother working on it! There are many other much more efficient and reliable mechanical OU devices (and yes a TPU is mechanical for the reasons given above) which can serve the same purpose as a non-portable TPU for instance:

http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device09-2.htm

Acerzw

You talk as if there are all these already working OU devices that are readably available for use, lol. Do you have any concrete designs for any of those? Any comments from the inventors? That link is to Don Smith's page, and has been there for a long time, good luck getting any information from him...

Why both working on the TPU if it isn't portable? Are you serious? Who said it wasn't portable? And when did I say I didn't want a portable TPU??? Are you telling me that carrying 2 TPUs as opposed to 1 TPU makes it NOT PORTABLE? LOL, so going from 1 pounds to 2 pounds makes it not portable? Come on man... Plus, what would you consider the 17" TPU? That's portable? Your argument is baseless.

My last post explained to you why I wrote what I did about solving the heat problem, perhaps you should read it again, because it clearly ISN'T insane.

The most insane ideas, ey? Who said anything about carrying it around? I didn't...

Mine was a SIMPLE example as to how you could solve the HEATING problem of the TPUs in the MOST OBVIOUS WAY, nothing more nothing less.

And, since his 6" TPU weighed only 1 pound, having 2 or 3 TPUs would only make that at around 2 to 3 pounds.

SM said that the HEAT issue was a real problem, so, if he resorted to water cooling, you can damn well bet he tried air cooling with a fan and such. SM insinuated that the HEAT issue was a sort of byproduct of the conversion process, and that eddy currents were in effect also related to the conversion process. Since this is the case, the HEATing problem is almost INTERNAL to the actual conversion elements, and hence hard to COOL. So, my SIMPLE and OBVIOUS example of using 2 or more TPUs, WOULD 100% solve the TPU heating problem a la SM's own words and admissions about how he dealt with the heating problems and how and why they occur.

So, to call my idea insane, is in itself insane, because my SOLUTION is OBVIOUS, and is 100% workable as a SOLUTION...

Just remember, YOU started all of this by attacking me, saying that I had the most insane idea ever, even though my IDEA which 100% solves the problem, was merely a POLITE SUGGESTION...

And one more thing, where did you get all your info on the TPUs having predetermined MTBFs? SM never said that the TPUs degrade, that isn't a 'KNOWN'.

[tao]

thanks tao,  I belive we should see a drop in input energy at any kind of resonance, but even if that doesn't happen, I'm counting on that powerfull expansion and contraction due to magnetostriciton.    This phenomena is like an AMPLIFIER.   With little magnetic field we can align a bunch of domains, and hence produce a ton of force.  That's why the magnetic constant of these feromagnetic materials is so high (in the thousands).


The only thing that complicates things in this linear concept is the MUTUAL coupling between the input coil and output coils.  That's why I show the spacers between the magnet and iron rod.    The larger the spacer the less we have to worry about this mutual coupling.  It might be good it might be bad, I don't know at this point.

With a CIRCULAR setup we don't need to worry about this, because all the flux is TRAPED by the toroid.
The vibrating ring in LONGITUDINAL MODE, basicaly expands and contract, changing it's radius.

Oh well, I'll experiment with the linear model first and then move on to circular, like the open TPU.

EM

I see the magnetostrictive expansion/contraction as the AMPLIFIER too, quite a powerful one indeed. So, in your linear setup there, it is THIS effect that brings in the OU into the device, IT is the key OU mechanism.

And like SM said, it is the SPEED that counts, even a small magnetic field can generate a large output, if the SPEED is quick enough, and this SPEED certainly seems to be present in the magnetostiction , as you well know, and certainly as BEP knows ...

WE supply the CONTROL, the IRON (or other magnetostictive element) does the rest, opening the flood gates to OU... But of course, we need some copper wire and/or some magnets to extract this OU, the point is that we have identified a very possible and key MECHANISM FOR OU (and that is huge!), and now we can test.

I consider that the first step in identifying and replicating any OU device, finding it's mechanism for OU (or potential mechanism). It's all about isolating, testing and improving these mechanisms, that is how an OU device will be made, and improved upon.

But of course, you knew all this, hence this post is a sort of open monologue, so those that might not see this, can...

[EMdevices]

It's so reassuring to see you understand what I'm trying to say, tao,   You spelled it out very nicely !!    I just can't wait to get home and start experimenting.