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DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

Started by hansvonlieven, October 03, 2007, 02:04:46 AM

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hansvonlieven

G'day allama,

The whole idea of Keely's system is the generation of compatible harmonics way beyond the audible, The primary chords are designed to support the formation of these harmonics. This way incredibly high frequency pressure waves are generated that, according to Keely are capable of reaching right into the heart of matter and open it up to manipulation.

If you want to do a bit of reading up on it go to my website http://www.keelytech.com and have a look around. All the fundamentals of his system are there. If you have any questions just drop me a line, you will find my E-mail address there if you don't want to go through the forum.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

hansvonlieven

Frequencies

Keely?s fundamental approach

Keely holds that all matter and all forms of energy are fundamentally composed of three vibratory streams. He used different terms for these forces depending on when he wrote the articles before finally deciding on radiative, focalising and dominant.

I. The Radiative : called also the `Dispersing,' the `Propulsive,' the `Positive,' and the `Enharmonic.'
II. The Focalising: called also the `Negative,' the `Negative Attractive,' the `Polarising,' and the `Harmonic.'
III. The Dominant: called also the `Etheric,' or the `Celestial.'

In common terms this means that the radiative is a force that pushes away from the neutral centre, the focalising is the force that pulls towards the neutral centre and the dominant is the glue that holds it all together. None of these forces can be thought of as existing independently of the other two.

He says that:

The relations of the currents in every flow are expressible in thirds, and it is experimentally demonstrable that the relation of the three are in the order named: as 33 1/3 : 66 2/3 : 100.

As no current or flow of force can be composed of one mode of vibration only, but must always be composed of three modes uniting in varying thirds, we have 1 x 2 x 3 = 6 as the total possible forms of sympathetic coincidence, or, to speak in ordinary terms, there can be six; and six only, possible forms of individualized being.

These are what Keely calls the six orders of atomic subdivision, or orders of vibratory motion, and he names them as follows:

I.       Molecular.
II.      Inter-molecular.
III.     Atomic.
IV.    Inter-atomic.
V.     Etheric.
VI.    Inter-etheric.

It is not entirely clear from his writings just what ?uniting in varying thirds? means, though logic would dictate that these relationships are in terms of amplitude.

When it comes to the actual frequencies Keely used to create his effects we have real problems determining what they were. Keely uses musical notation to describe the arrangement of his resonators. Because he deals with pure harmonic relationships we must not understand his references in terms of the commonly used tempered scale.

The musical scale used in Western music is a compromise. I don?t want to get here into a long winded dissertation on musical scale construction, a large and compelx subject, so I will confine myself to just one example. On a piano there are white keys and black keys. The white keys are full tones, the black keys half tones or semitones.

There is a black key between C and its adjacent note D. This key is called C-sharp or D-flat, depending on whether you use a sharp or flat scale. In reality C-sharp and D-flat are different notes, close together but perceptibly different. There are a number of reasons why this was done, playability and instrument construction being the chief ones.

For Keely?s purposes this was not good enough. To explain what note he means he uses three different scales, a diatonic scale, a harmonic scale and an enharmonic scale. Few people today know what the differences between the scales are. On top of that we do not know what concert pitch Keely used. We do know that is was not A=440, which is in common use today, that was not introduced as a standard until the 1950?s.

What I am saying here is that the reconstruction of Keely?s system requires a lot of experimentation.

To illustrate just how difficult it is to decode Keely I append one of his charts explaining the harmonic relationships within his system. This chart was designed and signed by Keely himself and is one of the few things by Keely?s hand that have survived. The companion volume to the charts with the detailed descriptions has not been located. It has vanished together with all his other published writings.
If you know musical theory and the chart means something to you I would appreciate some feedback. There are a number of these charts, if you are interested they are in the files section of the Keelytech Yahoo Group.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/keelytech/files/

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

allama

Hello, Hans. I?m going to try with two big tweeters, an audio power amplifier and a program named tonegenerator (can play up 16 tones mixed from 0 to 20 KHz). I will post the results. Bye.

hansvonlieven

Water

It absolutely amazes me that most researchers who are trying to disintegrate water do not study the substance at all but work from the assumption that water is simply H2O.
If that was the case the problems associated with splitting water into its components would have been solved long ago.

WATER (H2O) is the third most common molecule in the Universe (after H2 and CO), the most abundant substance on earth and the only naturally occurring inorganic liquid, a billion cubic kilometers of which reside in our oceans and 50 tons of which pass through our bodies in our lifetimes. It has been very well studied with a number of model structures having been proposed and refined.  Notwithstanding this, extensively hydrogen-bonded liquid water is unique with a number of anomalous properties. It has commonly been stated that no single model is able to explain all of its properties.

And we all thought water was the simplest of all things. Evidently not. Let?s have a closer look at it.

The first complication with water is that there are three different forms of hydrogen that we know of, each capable of combining with oxygen to produce a clear odourless liquid that on first inspection looks and feels like water.

The first, protium, is the one we commonly associate with hydrogen. It has at its core only one proton.

The second, deuterium, has one proton and one neutron at its core. In combination with oxygen it becomes D2H, which is known as heavy water. Deuterium occurs in water at about 0.015%.

The third, tritium, has one proton and two neutrons at its core. It is radioactive and has a half life of 12.32 years. It combines with oxygen to form tritiated water T2O. The low-energy beta radiation from tritium cannot penetrate human skin, so tritium is only dangerous if inhaled or ingested.

The three forms of hydrogen combine with water to form what we know as water and five isotopologues. (The isotopologue of a chemical species has at least one atom with a different number of neutrons.) This gives as the only possible combinations:

H-O-H     D-O-H     T-O-H     D-O-D     T-O-D     T-O-T  ,all of which occur in what we call water.

This is not where the complexity stops.

The following (in italics), including the animation is selected from available literature:

The water molecule may vibrate in a number of ways. In the gas state, the vibrations involve combinations of symmetric stretch (v1), asymmetric stretch (v3) and bending (v2) of the covalent bonds.



Shown below are the main vibrations occurring in water.



The main stretching band in liquid water is shifted to a lower frequency (v3, 3490 cm-1 and v1, 3280 cm-1) and the bending frequency increased (v2, 1644 cm-1) by hydrogen bonding.

It is clear that life on Earth depends on the unusual structure and anomalous nature of liquid water. Organisms consist mostly of liquid water. This water performs many functions and it can never be considered simply as an inert diluent; it transports, lubricates, reacts, stabilizes, signals, structures and partitions. The living world should be thought of as an equal partnership between the biological molecules and water.
In spite of much work, many of the properties of water are puzzling. Enlightenment comes from an understanding that water molecules form an infinite hydrogen-bonded network with localized and structured clustering. The middling strength of the connecting hydrogen bonds seems ideally suited to life processes, being easily formed but not too difficult to break. An important concept, often overlooked, is that liquid water is not homogeneous at the nanoscopic level.


There is obviously much more to it, but this is what it boils down to.

Water is not H-O-H, this is only a way of talking. True, for most purposes the formula holds, but it is only true for the average body of water over a longish period of time.

The hydrogen atoms in water are not rigidly fixed to the oxygen atoms and have a tendency to move around and find new oxygen partners. A bit like our modern society perhaps?

Even in true H2O molecules there are at least three distinct modes of vibration that have different frequencies.

Water has a tendency to form clusters.

Water has memory. Water can remember a structure it was forced to assume by being made to regroup in the presence of some foreign substance long after that foreign substance disappeared. (According to some scientists this explains the workability of homeopathy.)

There are sixty three known anomalities of water. To go into this subject here exceeds the scope of this paper. Suffice it to say we are dealing with a complex substance that has a life of its own and often behaves in ways difficult to forecast.

Therefore the dissociation of water with a vibratory stream is not an easy task and should not be undertaken lightly without reasonable safeguards especially as to explosions.


Hans von Lieven



When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Pirate88179

Hans:

Very educational material, thanks.  I have read advertisments in Popular Science magazine selling a water treatment device that changes the hydrogen bond angle from 115 degrees to 109 degrees, or vise versa. (I don't really remember the actual angles but these are close) what does this mean?  Does the hydrogen bond angle impact your work?  I will attempt to find the advertisment to get the accurate figures but I can't see how this could be changed by a water filter system.  From what you have told us, and I agree, water is everywhere and so simple we don't understand it.  Kind of like gravity.

Bill
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