SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Omnibus]

@tinu,

You're wrong. It has never been nor it will ever be that theory would precede experiment. Absolutely not. You're quite confused about that. As for reproducing this, you're right and this has been  said already many, many times. That's why all these efforts. Reproducing and experiment such as this is as important as to carry it out in the first place. Also, your statement "magnet motors do not work" is preposterous in view of the firmly established fact that CoE can be violated and energy from nothing can be produced, let alone in the face of facts such as the latest @alsetalonkin experiment. Therefore, restrain somehow from uttering such unsubstantiated statements because they not only don't contribute anything to the discussion but just clutter it and make the substantial stuff sink into a swamp of nonsense.

[Low-Q]

Lets all be open minded, but let us all at the same time be careful with such statements like "violating CoE is possible to do". We all "know" it's not possible, so let's at forst look for other explanations to the motor discussed here than violating CoE. There is no proof anywhere whatsoever, that this machine is a genuine self sustaining rotating device, but there is also no known proof that this machine isn't a genuine self sustaining rotating device. if it is, we need an answer to why it keeps running - regardless of if it runs by external energy or not. We must be open minded in both posibilities.

br.

Vidar

[Omnibus]

@Low-Q,

On the contrary, we already know for sure that CoE can be violated. This has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through a rigorous scientific analysis of a reproducible experiment. This has to sink in somehow and we should never again read unsubstantiated statements that "We all "know" it's not possible."

As for the machine in question, independent verification is still pending, indeed. However, eve if for some strange reason this particular machine turns out not to be a self-sustaining one, there should be no question that a self-sustaining machine can exist and will be constructed one day. Construction of such a machine is just an engineering problem and has nothing to do with provein whether or not CoE can be violated which has already been proven, as I said, positively.

[Liberty]

Hi everyone,

Glad to see so much enthusiasm!

For those who know what you are doing, best whishes and good luck, as usual.

For everyone else, read my lips as a bit of advice before ordering various parts: magnet motors do not work.
I?m not a skeptic. I know it for sure. So, this must be a fake. Easy to see how (thanks Vidar) but hard to tell why. Time will soon tell.

One more remark before moving on: this is not negativism. It is realism. Science demands all results are reproducible under the specified setup and experimental conditions, ?which are not given because there is nothing to put on paper as documentation, really. We live in times when theory precedes experiments by a long way. Although experiments of what-if are still conducted, they are much more advanced than swirling several magnets and claiming science?

Cheers,
Tinu

(giggles and snickers) 

[Low-Q]

@Low-Q,

On the contrary, we already know for sure that CoE can be violated. This has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through a rigorous scientific analysis of a reproducible experiment. This has to sink in somehow and we should never again read unsubstantiated statements that "We all "know" it's not possible."

As for the machine in question, independent verification is still pending, indeed. However, eve if for some strange reason this particular machine turns out not to be a self-sustaining one, there should be no question that a self-sustaining machine can exist and will be constructed one day. Construction of such a machine is just an engineering problem and has nothing to do with provein whether or not CoE can be violated which has already been proven, as I said, positively.

An apple is allways falling down to the ground if you drop it - we all "knows" that. Even if that has happen in every attempts since forever, you will then tell me that there is no question about that this apple would evidently fall upwards one day? I can only see that violating CoE is exactly as much possible to happen as the apple will fall upwards one day. OK, let's not "fight" about who is believing right or wrong, or who knows best. Just let us see if time will reveal the only truth about this machine. I'm patient, and will wait and see what happens next - befor I buy more magnets...

Br.

Vidar