SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Omnibus]

@tinu,

I told you to take some time to convince yourself as to what's input, total or output energy. You didn't do that and this is the reason for your confusion.

[tinu]

@omnibus,

To me is very clear:

Ein=mgh1+Mb-Ma

EtotalB=EtotalC=mgh1+Mb=mgh1+mgh2+Kc

As for EtotalA, there are two cases:
1. The ball arrives in A with kinetic energy (ideal case: frictionless/free loss SMOT). EtotalA1=EtotalB=EtotalC=mgh1+Mb=mgh1+mhg2+Kc=Ma+?other energies?, where ?other energies?=Ehand=Ein=mgh1+Mb-Ma.
2. After kinetic energy is all transformed into heat and the ball is in rest in A, EtotalA2=Ma.

Now, from 1 above one can easily see that ?other energies?=mgh1+Mb-Ma=Ehand (or Ein, if you want), so this is not a guess but plain algebra.
But ?Other energies?=EtotalA1-EtotalA2=Eout. This is not negotiable either: ?other energies? is all SMOT can give as output.
Hence, as it is seen: Eout=Ein=Ehand.

Daylight simple. What you put in is what you get out. (Or, GIGO principle maybe? )
Ein=Eout.
CoE obeyed.
QED

And your version would be ??

Tinu

[Omnibus]

@omnibus,

To me is very clear:

Ein=mgh1+Mb-Ma

EtotalB=EtotalC=mgh1+Mb=mgh1+mgh2+Kc

As for EtotalA, there are two cases:
1. The ball arrives in A with kinetic energy (ideal case: frictionless/free loss SMOT). EtotalA1=EtotalB=EtotalC=mgh1+Mb=mgh1+mhg2+Kc=Ma+?other energies?, where ?other energies?=Ehand=Ein=mgh1+Mb-Ma.
2. After kinetic energy is all transformed into heat and the ball is in rest in A, EtotalA2=Ma.

Now, from 1 above one can easily see that ?other energies?=mgh1+Mb-Ma=Ehand (or Ein, if you want), so this is not a guess but plain algebra.
But ?Other energies?=EtotalA1-EtotalA2=Eout. This is not negotiable either: ?other energies? is all SMOT can give as output.
Hence, as it is seen: Eout=Ein=Ehand.

Daylight simple. What you put in is what you get out. (Or, GIGO principle maybe? )
Ein=Eout.
CoE obeyed.
QED

And your version would be ??

Tinu

Please try to understand this on your own. Don't clutter the thread with your confusion.

[tinu]

No, no!
This time is half a page, clear proof CoE obeyed, easily verifiable by almost everyone and in agreement with previous posts.
Therefore, please reply to the subject if you have scientific arguments.
If not, of course you can go back into the cluttering corner but I won?t buy it anymore.
   
Cheers,
Tinu

[Omnibus]

No, I can't waste time to sort out your confusion. Like I said, you have to sort it out on your own.