SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Pirate88179]

I think the jury is still out on this question, and will continue to be unless someone, especially someone who claims a certainty, defines this o.u. outcome. I have seen good cases for both sides.  What I have not seen is respect for opposing views from the "SMOT is OU" side.  Mr. Omnibus, we have met (on-line) before and I do respect your intellect.  All I am saying is that, if you KNOW SMOT is ou, and do not want to "explain" why to all, then maybe you should quit stating that.  If you are satisfied that it is, fine...leave it at that.  If you do not want to take the time to educate others than, keep it to yourself and revel in the knowledge that you are correct, and everyone else is wrong.  I just hate to see conversation going in circles.  This is not productive.  We all want the same thing so, let's either educate each other, or move on.  But, that is just my opinion.

Bill

[Omnibus]

I think the jury is still out on this question, and will continue to be unless someone, especially someone who claims a certainty, defines this o.u. outcome. I have seen good cases for both sides.  What I have not seen is respect for opposing views from the "SMOT is OU" side.  Mr. Omnibus, we have met (on-line) before and I do respect your intellect.  All I am saying is that, if you KNOW SMOT is ou, and do not want to "explain" why to all, then maybe you should quit stating that.  If you are satisfied that it is, fine...leave it at that.  If you do not want to take the time to educate others than, keep it to yourself and revel in the knowledge that you are correct, and everyone else is wrong.  I just hate to see conversation going in circles.  This is not productive.  We all want the same thing so, let's either educate each other, or move on.  But, that is just my opinion.

Bill

You're wrong. I must be blunt about that, sorry. When you're wrong the honest thing to do is to say you're wrong and not finagle. That SMOT violates CoE has been categorically proven even in this thread. The jury isn't out regarding this violation. Therefore, I ask from @modervador nothing less than to open a thread in the Steorn forum and to explain to some curious people there what he already understood, namely, that SMOT unequivocally violates CoE. I should be perfectly clear, I will not put up with any politicking, finagling, polite arrogance and all the rest of the methods he and some others (especially he) have used so far to obfuscate the truth.

As for this thread, as I've suggested already, it has to be closed because no more entanglement in confusion is at all needed to further continue and clutter this interesting and useful forum.

[Low-Q]

Regarding how we behave on this forum, I can too be quite coarse in my language, but I feel that these reactions is due to someones way in telling people they are wrong. I am a person that cannot accept "no" for an answer unless I'm explained why. However I do questioning everything, and that should be answered with a little more respect. It should also be room for the most intelectual persons here to at least concider others thaughts and "proofs" before shooting them down. I have tried to understand Omnibus claims, but I still feel something is missing.

To Omnibus and other members: I apologise for every mistakes I've done, both verbaly and from any technical point of view where I might have cluttered up the discussions. But I expect respect for my point of view even if you do not agree, or have "proofs" to the oposite.

So I whish to shake hands and start over.

Br.

Vidar

[tinu]

I think Stefan should close this thread.  As seen, it has been categorically proven that SMOT violates CoE and no more exercise in confusion is necessary.

Intellectual masturbation would be already a noble tag, way above of what is actually going on here.
So let?s get real. 
One point is valid thought: this tread should be closed; it already proved quite nicely that there is nothing to discuss here. CoE is obeyed. SMOT CoE violation never happened except in one mind.

@modervador,
Now that you understand that I was right and that SMOT violates CoE you should go back to the Seorn forum where we know each other from, should open a thread there and should try to clarify their confusion regarding this. That's the honorable thing to do.

Insults continue with no reason. The above is just one example, which is not only insulting but it tries to change black to white. Hello, read again: Egain=Eout-Ein=Ehand-Ehand which is zero by my math. How is by yours?

Tinu

P.S. How about changing the name of the thread?  Hmmm??SMOT utopia? or just simply ?forget about SMOT??

[Omnibus]

I think Stefan should close this thread.  As seen, it has been categorically proven that SMOT violates CoE and no more exercise in confusion is necessary.

Intellectual masturbation would be already a noble tag, way above of what is actually going on here.
So let?s get real. 
One point is valid thought: this tread should be closed; it already proved quite nicely that there is nothing to discuss here. CoE is obeyed. SMOT CoE violation never happened except in one mind.

@modervador,
Now that you understand that I was right and that SMOT violates CoE you should go back to the Seorn forum where we know each other from, should open a thread there and should try to clarify their confusion regarding this. That's the honorable thing to do.

Insults continue with no reason. The above is just one example, which is not only insulting but it tries to change black to white. Hello, read again: Egain=Eout-Ein=Ehand-Ehand which is zero by my math. How is by yours?

Tinu

P.S. How about changing the name of the thread?  Hmmm??SMOT utopia? or just simply ?forget about SMOT??

Stop insulting the intelligence of the readers. Cut this out.