SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[HopeForHumanity]

@shruggedatlas,

Now I hope you already understand the problem and are fully convinced that CoE can be violated. It's good to acknowledge when something is understood.

I think that my last drawing can be simulated in reality, though I allow for the chance that I may be wrong.  But there is no point going back and forth on that, because either it will work, or it won't, and it is fairly easy to try.

If the experiment does work, then I do not see any difference between that and your SMOT.  Intuitively, even without running equations, we all know that a rubber band, ball and ramp cannot violate CoE.

I suspected that. Turns out you're still not getting it.

On the contrary, like I said, if what you think your rubber band can do proves to be really true experimentally then we will know otherwise about a rubber band, that is, we will know that a rubber band can violate CoE under certain circumstances (described by you). Unfortunately, what you're proposing cannot work because of the reasons I already gave.

Thus, I'm waiting for you to finally get fully convinced that CoE can be violated in any case (so far we've seen experimentally confirmed only in SMOT and the magnetic propulsor) where the energy imparted to the ball is less than the energy the ball loses. If you can show another mechanical experiment, other than the SMOT and the magnetic propulsor, that can only be added as one more proof for violation of CoE and will be very interesting. I'm not holding my breath, though.

It does not have to be mechanical.... *cough* virtual particles *cough*

[Omnibus]

It must be mechanical to claim analogy to SMOT. Unfortunately, so far, the only experiment in physics proving unequivocally violation of CoE is the Taisnierius experiment (SMOT) and its variation -- the magnetic propulsor. Nothing else.

Virtual particles by their very essence of being virtual are excluded as any real proof against CoE whatsoever.

[HopeForHumanity]

It must be mechanical. So far, the only experiment in physics proving unequivocally violation of CoE is the Taisnierius experiment (SMOT) and its variation -- the magnetic propulsor. Nothing else.

No, the virtual particle violates CoE in another time and space. It is unobservable and useless, thus making it simialer to the SMOT in that you cant use it. Because physics is based off the law of conservation they will stretch it to the point where the virtual particle no longer counts. This makes it entirely a point of view. In my point of view, anything that has an uncertain amount of energy and pops into mathematical view (strange way of saying it), violates CoE. If they were to aknowledge this, they would have to come up with some new stuff.

[HopeForHumanity]

"limited time and space, introducing uncertainty in their energy and momentum due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle."

This summarizes the behaviour of the virtual particle. IF IT'S MATHEMATICALY THERE, THEN IT'S THERE. NO BUTS...

But we cant use it....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

But we cant physicaly see it.....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

Why?

Because it's created through the math thats based off CoE itself......

Huh?

It would be a contradiction to ignore it.....

Ok, I got it!

There you go...

LOL

[Omnibus]

It must be mechanical. So far, the only experiment in physics proving unequivocally violation of CoE is the Taisnierius experiment (SMOT) and its variation -- the magnetic propulsor. Nothing else.

No, the virtual particle violates CoE in another time and space. It is unobservable and useless, thus making it simialer to the SMOT in that you cant use it. Because physics is based off the law of conservation they will stretch it to the point where the virtual particle no longer counts. This makes it entirely a point of view. In my point of view, anything that has an uncertain amount of energy and pops into mathematical view (strange way of saying it), violates CoE. If they were to aknowledge this, they would have to come up with some new stuff.

Not so. SMOT violates CoE in the real sense of the word. This is a real violation of CoE and that principle must not be considered as a general principle in physics any more.