Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

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@mramos.
See page 55 for details of his experiment.

[Joh70]

hi mamros, good luck finding out out how this circuit works, especially how long it lasts with a specified amount of power (Ahours of a battery). Every measurement with meters etc. are tricky because of the high frequencies and inductances and so on. Would be interesting to know exactly, is there more power out than in, and if yes, at what factor.

[jonesbeene]

@mramos -

If your goal is to measure the power in the LED chain (the "AV loop") - and then to compare that with the input power, it is probably best NOT to build the Thomas oscillator for this purpose. That circuit optimizes light output, but not measurable power. This sounds odd: that the light and measurable power are not in a linear relationship - but the whole experiment is odd.

As Dr Stiffler stated in one posting - this Thomas circuit probably does not benefit from the full SEC effect, since it does not have the open wire lead (which is the open end of the 9 turn primary). However if you were only going to use a light meter for testing, then this simpler circuit does produce an enormous amount of light. For the full SEC effect, you need the one-wire open lead and that means a more complicated circuit

Therefore, and to replicate the putative overunity, which has been mentioned to be COP ~2, my suggestion is that it would be wise not build the simpler circuit, but build the second circuit on that page - the Stiffler circuit. It is a bit more complicated, but it does actively cohere the SEC effect, and it will show considerable more power in the secondary loop, than the P-in from a battery.

rgds

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on page 45:

"I have posted a new oscillator that works very well, 'The Thomas Oscillator'

It uses a single transistor and when the start resistor is properly selected and used  with the coils as I specify it is very effective and can drive 36 Ultra-Bright White LEDS while being very OU.

Take a look at it, no excuse for not using it, this is a great driver. http://www.drstiffler.com/ce4.asp"

@Jonesbeene,
Have you been able to replicate a power gain with any of these circuits. If so please give details. So far Dr. Stiffler is the only one to post any detailed data showing a power gain and he used a"DC" voltage measurement without any corrections for an AC voltage contribution to compute current while previously stating that in a properly running circuit this could not be done. There seems to be a lot of claims and very little data.

[jonesbeene]

@ Xee

The quote you posted from Dr Stiffler's site, if I am not mistaken, has been retracted (the part about the Thomas circuit showing measurable OU) . The amount of light from the circuit made it appear to be OU at first - but AFAIK the actual measurements showed otherwise. I am not a spokesman for DrS and I have often misunderstood details which have changed over time. To be fair, people should realize that this is just one man, who is trying to balance a heavy work load involving an evolving experiment, a detailed web site, and other ongoing projects -- so yes - mistakes - especially in communication, will be made. I commend him for what he has done, and believe that more detail will be forthcoming next week, despite the Holiday season in the USA.

Accurate power measurement in the AV plug is difficult, since as you mention -- what "should be" DC, because of all the rectification of 38-44 diodes is not complete, partly because the plug itself appears to be acting as an "antenna" of sorts. However, we (myself and another person who is not connected to DrS) have seen what "appears to be" excess power, even more than has been claimed, and are attempting to have measurements done and certified by a professional RF engineer with better equipment. Our skills in RF are lacking but this is an easy circuit to achieve what seem like amazing results. However, as you probably know, there is always this BIG problem in RF with what is called "reflected power" and since we are dealing with what is essentially a flyback converter on steroids, operating at much higher frequency than you will find used with a Tesla coil, for instance, it is in a realm which is beyond the normally well-documented details of electrical devices. This circuit looks like an energy anomaly to me, yet it could be only a super-efficient "3D antenna" for some kind of radiation. The active "zone" which DrS talks about is about the size of a basketball, and is probably a blob of stray capacitance which has been irradiated with one frequency and which will cohere other frequencies, perhaps many, and that is why I mention the analogy of a 3D antenna.

Or it could be something totally different. I hope others will keep chipping away at the underlying details, and provide their own measurement technique and results. Given how fast this has evolved so far, an improved circuit may turn up tomorrow. Maybe from you.

rgds