Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

And here's another illustration to show what Dr. Stiffler is doing.   

He is using a wire mesh over the whole length of the coil, but I believe a small pad towards the top will work just fine.
He did report that a solid foil cylinder will NOT WORK, and I hope that's clear to everyone why it does not work.  It's a ONE TURN COIL and it will damped the oscillations due to it's low resistance (transformer action with a turn ration of n:1,  where 'n' is large)

However, a mesh like he uses, has surface inductance as well and  won't choke the oscillations, but it's better to use a pad or strips instead of a full cyclinder.

EM

P.S.  The question remains, where is the excess energy produced, IF ANY?   Is it due to the resonant nature of the coil?   Possibly.  People with Tesla coils can do awesome things and light lots of lightbulbs.   What about the AV plug?  Is that what's doing it?    We have to realize that there is stray capacitance even in the AV plug, or else it won't work.   On a bread board behind the plastic we have strips of metal that form a capacitor lattice, and at the high frequencies we use, they can have very little resistance to AC  (reactance is low).   What I showed here is by no means conclusive.  I'm just trying to illustrate what I'm seeing and understanding.  Dr Stiffler tends to talk in terms of esoteric notions of space lattice energy , etc..,  but in actuality there is no such thing.  The lattice is not in space, per say, but it's the COMPONENTS themselves that are being used to form this lattice, and they have resonant MODES.  We call this science,  ELECTRONICS,   LOL 

This site seems lost again, so this may post a million times. :-(

So you never really build one of these circuits? Because if you had you would have seen the error in you hypothetical appraisal.

Sometimes it is necessary to draw a line in the sand to see who really crosses it. LOL :-) Science in the mind, Electronics from the mouth.

Based on your own hypothetical statements and grand ELECTRONICS/SCIENCE conjecture I guess you need to build it or re-think it. Strange you never saw in any of the images, the unit sitting inside the calorimeter for example, the SOLID, SHORTED TURN coupling. Just so you don't mis it again, see below. LOL, LOL big time. :-) And here I went and even complimented you ONCE.

[armagdn03]

The bottom figure will illustrate what Dr. Stiffler is doing different then Tesla, as far as driving the resonance of the secondary.


EM

P.S.  In actuality there is capacitance to the ground plane from each turn of the coil, or towards other near by objects.  This will rob the coil of some of it's high potential.    In essence there is a voltage divider at each turn and some energy is lost due to displacement currents.  But for all practical purposes, what is shown is a good model.

Ouch!  Tesla used magnetic induction only and not capacitive or dielectric induction? hmmmmm, maybe you should take another look at Tesla If this were true, no need for pancake coils, "faster than light" propagation, single wire power transfer (which Tesla invented first) etc...

Also, top or bottom doesn't matter, the wavelength considered for the particular use matters, for example, one quarter is good for potential maxima or minima, which could possibly aid in the wireless transfer of energy, should one want to do that. 

Electricity is not split into two parts, magnetic and electric, both are the same varying to the degree based upon our lovely factor of time, Tesla was trying to maximize frequency and minimize period, and in doing so maximizing the dielectric field,

[Loki67671]

Confirmation measurements from a Hameg LCR;
Slug tuned inductor on vertical form 4.65uH to 9.53uH. I won't know if this range of tuning will be adequate until I actually fire up and go through the tuning process.
Air core RFC 22.6uH. I know, it's ugly and I will have to rewind a "pretty" coil if and when I need to showoff......not! Actually I probably will for consistency.
I'm not even going to speculate as to what is happening in Dr. Stiffler's circuit until mine is functioning the same as his. I'm getting there. I also just picked up some copper mesh and some copper screening, from the freaking craft store. Good call Doc! A magnet will not stick to it either. I carried one with me just to be sure I was getting what was advertised. 100% copper is what they say. Does anyone know what the wire specification is on those damned AM loop antenna's? Someone has to have the stuff. You know, Litz wire, really friggin small with really fine cotton string mixed in, same stuff used in an AM loop antenna in your simple AM transistor radio..........that is followed by a glassy eyed look or loooooooong pause on the phone.......indicating they have not a clue of what I just asked about. LOL Someone else is going to loose their AM tuning capabilities......LOL....I'm a rotten bastard.........but it is for the betterment of us all! 

@Dr. Stiffler,
I wonder if solder braid might prove useful here? It's not coated with the insulation but I might be able to cure that with heatshrink tubing. Just an idea. I'm going radio hunting! LOL................................Jim

[EMdevices]

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[DrStiffler]

armagdn03

Ouch!  Tesla used magnetic induction only and not capacitive or dielectric induction? hmmmmm, maybe you should take another look at Tesla If this were true, no need for pancake coils, "faster than light" propagation, single
wire power transfer (which Tesla invented first) etc...

Yes, now you understand.  Tesla used only magnetic induction using the primary coil to drive at the bottom, and Dr Stiffler drives the coil towards the top by CAPACITIVE COUPLING.      You are right, we can do without the pancake coil (or primary few turn coil) that Tesla used.  The magic really happens in the secondary at resonance, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU DRIVE IT TO RESONANCE. 

For those interested, there is a third way to drive the secondary, and that is BOTTOM FED.   You simply connect one leg of the coil to the oscillator output (coil over ground plane) and the other coil end becomes the high voltage terminal relative to ground. 

RStiffler

Because if you had you would have seen the error in you hypothetical appraisal.

Dr. Stiffler,   I find your work unique, don't misunderstand, but I do chuckle a bit at your explanations, hence my light hearted comments.  I hope you don't take too much offense.   

So what ERROR in my hypothetical appraisal do you see? 

By the way, thanks for the pictures, but I did NOT notice you were in fact using a split ring.(I saw a mesh)  I see the ring now.  Looks like you have your RF wits about you, it's after all common sense (if your an RF engineer)  Most people on this forum are just basic experimenters, and judging by their explanations, they're off in La La land.  I hope you don't gravitate that way either.

So, I just like to tell it like I see it.  In a way I'm trying to help you out by keeping you in the realm of reason.  There is no sense in jumping to esoteric explanations when they are already explained by conventional theory, wouldn't you agree?   Your hoping to write a paper and you might just have to get past me to publish, so look at this as a free review       

Have you done careful measurements of Amplitude and phase at all the nodes?   Have you applied conventional theory first and shown where it falls short?  You have to do these things before you move on to other explanations.

I have not seen this type of excitation of a many turn secondary before, so you have something unique there.  However, that doesn't mean I've seen all.   I've seen some circuits that make use of resonators in microwave circuits, and there's lots of topologies that work.

My new setup:

I checked your concepts and they work, see figure below.   The few turn coil that's close to the left secondary is just for capacitive coupling  (didn't have time to make a nice pad just yet).   the small coil on the carpet with the ferrite is for adjustment (I slide the ferrite through it)   I get beautiful sine waves, but I'm slightly out of the resonant range, so I might need to order some more capacitors to get exactly or modify my small coil.  Stay tuned...

EM

@EMDevices

Have you ever just stopped, so tired of the race that you wonder why you continue??

I do appreciate your comments and attempted replications of one or more of my circuits, yet we are for some reason still comparing Apples to Water Melons here. You know it could in part be the large size of this thread and the massive amount of information added in bursts.

Anyway I have posted before and will one last time some relevant information and some scope shots.

1) Unless you use a 100:1 scope probe on the collector of the 'Exciter', you will change and even cancel what I state as operational conditions.

2) Image #1 shows what you will see on the collector under ideal conditions. The trace at the bottom is from a sniffer coil placed next to the power coil. Nowhere, except in the sniffer coil will you see any wave form that even approaches a sine wave. If you are seeing a sine wave on the collector, it is not a replication.

3) Image #2 is an expanded view under the same conditions.

4) Image #3 is again another view of expanded sniffer coil coupling.

When one talks of stray capacity, your circuit has far more than any of my circuits. In fact a comment in rebuttal to yours on the capacity of the AV Plug diodes, yes they have capacity to the outer world, BUT using Surface Mount HF Switching Diodes will increase the effective output of the circuit. Now with the SM's capacity went way down and yes speed may have gone up, but reducing the capacity in and around the AV Plug is desired and productive. I stated this way back... when people were trying to add mass and antenna's to increase output (which was counter productive).

You are without doubt a very intelligent person highly knowledgeable in the field, yet you suffer from that knowledgeable. You cavalier comments about my hypothesis among other things has turned me from respect to suspicion. When attacked one attacks back and I am learning well to do that. Why can you now vacate rote positions and open up and use you vast knowledge in a supporting effective way.

No problem..................