Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[Loki67671]

@Dr. Stiffler,
No heat sink required! Transistor is cool. Looked to be approximately 60F. 22uH looked to be approximately 64F. I could not get a reading on the Neon for some reason besides 58F. I have to take these readings with a black isolation surface as you have reminded me. I will do that ASAP! It is starting to look good but I'm not quite there yet! I get RF burned on the 22uH so I won't be "touching" that too much more.  20VDC at 89ma in this pic. I can and did have very similar values at much less input so what I'm telling you right now is just ballpark. Will have more precise details as soon as possible.

Best regards

Jim

@Loki
So when you are working in the lab you are constantly jumping up and down, waving your arms back and forth and constantly pushing the fur from the parka out of your eyes  Man your ambient is cold you need to get this running, you need to look at the transistor curve/temp maybe your hfe is zip 

@All
I sent this to Loki and will post here so you have an idea what you are looking for, the following is just a sample set of temp with a gun when ambient surrounding temp was 23.5C,

The 22uH choke ->48C
The Neon ->45C
The transistor -> 25C
The 10uH choke ->24C

Might help some in getting closer....

Ahem! Another quick note from Loki of the North. Taxes are DONE! Wait.........my flat panel is very dim and gets fog on it from the coffee steaming. Damn strait I'm interested in heat, out of frigging necessity! Und cold kaffe! Not to mention the gas bills! Too bad there isn't a FMAO, as in Freezing My Ass Off little smiley, I'd use it.  Yes the basement "lab" average ambient temp is 58F. I had considered that I was at the bottom of the scale, I didn't think 58F was too bad but it could certainly explain not being able to REALLY heat parts when there is a massive just above earth, literally, thermal sink all around. Something has to keep the rotwine, jah? In any case I haven't had much chance to fiddle today, yet, but I could still get into trouble yet. The day is not over! But I'm waiting on my parka to dry!  I'm real sure that I can get that input power down significantly I was off, as usual, on a tangent chasing glowing AV plugs that weren't connected to anything except some freaking orange capacitors!  This is not the first time I've seen this with SEC or quite a few other systems as a matter of fact. Like I said before the official EE terminology is "Leakage Current". Yep, it's a leakin from somewhere, ahts fur sur! I kind of figured it was the plate C's .

@Dr. Stiffler,
Here is a shot for your review doc. Like I said I was chasing and exploring "glow plugs". I've worked at tuning to max intensity from 13VDC to what you see here at 20VDC. Current at those max points tends to run between 65ma at the 13VDC up to the 89ma at 20VDC. The component temperatures are fairly consistent +/- 2F Will get down to the business of some heat tuning over the next 24 hours or so. Too many things going on right now! It is possible that the gain is down eh? Maybe? Shall I box it up in blue foam insulation board? 23C is even above what the cold miser keeps the upstairs. She keeps the house at 66F. Damned hydrocarbon fuel prices! More to follow for sure. Doc, look at the foundation wall in my pic.........big thick rocks in dirt, it wants to stay 53F permanently. Summer rules in the lab! No AC required at all and I can circulate this upstairs. Give and Take Sir! Give and Take! You have the opposite problem no?

Best regards,

Jim

[DrStiffler]

@All

Take a look at the following pictures of a circuit I fired up to show the temp measurement and the differences. Please don't just glance, study it a bit, there is a photo message here.

[DrStiffler]

@Amigo
The simplest possible exciter, one plug and one high current neon (<1mA) when running properly will have the 22uH and Neon so Hot that unless you don't feel heat or have think skin, will burn to the touch (not rf burn or sensation from the rf) real burn from heat. When one has a temp gun some (relative temps can be checked), but they only indicate things are working, but of course can't tell how well. In this simple circuit if the transistor (without heat sink) or the 10uH get hot or even overly warm to the touch then its not running in the right mode. I have am at the point where I can pretty much tell by the color of the gas in the neon when it is close to right. I told Loki that to me it appears to be either a very bright orange with a reddish cast to it (of course here we have, do we have a standard bulb).

Hi Doc,

So it sounds as I am on the right track because nothing gets hot. I did notice various colours of the gas in the NE2 and I do remember seeing bright orangy-red, which looked to me like a real overdrive.

Otherwise, I do believe I have the exact same components, except for the coil form that you use, mine is a bit shorter and thicker. I'll post a photo of my coils today.

Thanks.

@Amigo
What??
**So it sounds as I am on the right track because nothing gets hot.
What did I say wrong? Maybe it was that Booths last night.
NO! we want Heat, but only in certain places, the Neon and the 22uH choke. Want the 10uH and the xistor to say (Cool).

If I don't come across right I am sorry, maybe the old mind still moves faster than the fingers.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Doc,
so the transistor gets 1 degree Celsius colder than the environment ?
Very interesting.
Maybeyour SEC  converts environment heat into electricity ?

[DrStiffler]

Hi Doc,
so the transistor gets 1 degree Celsius colder than the environment ?
Very interesting.
Maybeyour SEC  converts environment heat into electricity ?

@Stephan
Hey! You really jump right in there and don't give the others a chance.

All kidding aside, lets assume at first we have a 10% error in which case the xistor could be at the same as ambient, except the simple test as shown in the picture herein included, shows some good info. You do need a glass thermometer as the digitals develop a case of 'Can't make up my mind'. The glass one don't of course give that close of resolution, but not needed for rough work.

I don't know..... Yes I can duplicate, yes it can be measurement error, maybe the Exciter is screwing with the glass thermometer to, I don't know and have been looking into it in many ways. This is why we need replications. Looks like we can replicate light, motors, and now a few HHO, but no one is yet at the stage I'm showing here. Maybe tommorow