Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[allcanadian]

Here is some interesting info---
From --http://www.chukanovenergy.com/images/pdfbook/Ball_Lightning.pdf

Note: a tiny ball lightning can destroy the electrode in a few seconds.It makes large holes in the electrodes but does not melt it.only very high energy electrons can produce such an effect.

This is a very informative document, I think there are many aspects to HV/HF currents that have been overlooked. I also like the fact there have been real experiments performed and this is not just another wild unproven theory.


Some highlights from---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_lamp

--When driven from a DC source, only the negatively charged electrode (cathode) will glow. When driven from an AC source, both electrodes will glow (each during alternate half cycles).
--Once lit, a neon lamp has a negative resistance characteristic: increasing the current flow through the device increases the number of ions, thereby decreasing the resistance of the lamp and allowing even more current to flow.
--However, while too low a current causes flickering, too high a current increases the wear of the electrodes by stimulating sputtering, which coats the internal surface of the lamp with metal and causes it to darken.
--Most small neon (indicator-sized) lamps, such as the common NE-2, break down at between 90 and 110 volts. This feature enables their use as very simple voltage regulators or overvoltage protection devices.
--They were also used for a variety of other purposes; since a neon lamp can act as a relaxation oscillator with an added resistor and capacitor, it can be used as a simple flashing lamp or audio oscillator.
--In AC-excited lamps, both electrodes produce light, but in a DC-excited lamp, only the negative electrode glows. Thus a neon lamp can be used to distinguish between AC and DC sources and to ascertain the polarity of DC sources.

It's funny I had never considered the NE-2 neon in my high voltage/high frequency circuits but it would make perfect sense to use the NE-2 as a kind of HV zener diode as it conducts at 90 to 110 volts potential. In this way potential could be admitted into a seperate resonant circuit but still remain connected to some extent and produce feedback above the breakdown voltage but not below .I think I will have to get my hands on some of these NE-2 neons.
P.S.-- I recieved my SEC 15-3 a few days ago and have some unique experiments planned, the first is to determine the true wave period external to the SEC in a single conductor which should be interesting.

[Loki67671]

@ All ... here is some intersting read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_lamp

When my neon is going I only have have 1 electrode working.  Does anyone else have this or do yours have both electrodes lighting?

@Nickle989,
When mine are tuned for:
1. Max Subjective Neon Brightness
2. Maximum Neon Temperature
3. Minimum Input Current

1 electrode is fully engulfed From time to time the Neon flickers and gun measured neon temperature is 143.5F with the transistor running at 80F, the 22uH choke at 87F. Indeed 1 electrode indicating HV DC. The glowing electrode is connected to the ANODE lead of 1 of the AV plug diodes.

Best regards,

Jim

[Frederic2k1]

Here is some interesting info---
From --http://www.chukanovenergy.com/images/pdfbook/Ball_Lightning.pdf

Note: a tiny ball lightning can destroy the electrode in a few seconds.It makes large holes in the electrodes but does not melt it.only very high energy electrons can produce such an effect.

This is a very informative document, I think there are many aspects to HV/HF currents that have been overlooked. I also like the fact there have been real experiments performed and this is not just another wild unproven theory.

@ allcanadian

Can you see all pictures included in this pdf ? On my AcrobatReader half the documents pictures will not load
And there are also some pages he will not load. I'm trying to find out if I am the only one with this problem. Because I would like to read the whole document... it is damn interessting.

[nickle989]

@Loki

1 electrode is fully engulfed From time to time the Neon flickers and gun measured neon temperature is 143.5F with the transistor running at 80F, the 22uH choke at 87F. Indeed 1 electrode indicating HV DC. The glowing electrode is connected to the ANODE lead of 1 of the AV plug diodes.

Thanks Jim, at first I thought I was going nuts. Have been messing around with my frankenstein version and have noticed some interesting things.  I really need to get me some of those coil forms.  When taking readings off the scope and I get to having the wave form duplicate the top and bottom (or at least the closest I can get it) I have the great efficiency. I then disconnect the scope off and the NEON gets just a little brighter and hotter.  But at least it gives me a place to aim towards.

There is certainly more going on in this then what is meeting the electronic eye. 

I am going to see how much the local NEON place here will charge to make up some custom designs.  When adding another neon to the mix it somehow changes the ION field around the board in a disfavor.   I also think that a rectangular plate is not the best thing .. round would be better I think.

I love my burt finger tips  .

[Loki67671]

@Loki

1 electrode is fully engulfed From time to time the Neon flickers and gun measured neon temperature is 143.5F with the transistor running at 80F, the 22uH choke at 87F. Indeed 1 electrode indicating HV DC. The glowing electrode is connected to the ANODE lead of 1 of the AV plug diodes.

Thanks Jim, at first I thought I was going nuts. Have been messing around with my frankenstein version and have noticed some interesting things.  I really need to get me some of those coil forms.  When taking readings off the scope and I get to having the wave form duplicate the top and bottom (or at least the closest I can get it) I have the great efficiency. I then disconnect the scope off and the NEON gets just a little brighter and hotter.  But at least it gives me a place to aim towards.

There is certainly more going on in this then what is meeting the electronic eye. 

I am going to see how much the local NEON place here will charge to make up some custom designs.  When adding another neon to the mix it somehow changes the ION field around the board in a disfavor.   I also think that a rectangular plate is not the best thing .. round would be better I think.

I love my burt finger tips  .

Yes.....I have certainly built some nice devices and some Frankensteins. It happens! But now I'm quite comfortable with adjusting SEC 15-3 and my proto-board circuits for heat. I have two more SEC 15-3's on the way and will try to get some heating runs in the calorimeter this coming weekend. I have to test the supply that will power the experiment. For now I'm just simply passing data from the DAQ's into a spreadsheet and will automate the calculations soon too. I'd be quite interested in the custom neon, please keep me in mind and pass along what you will. Good idea on the geometry, I'm looking into that also.

The change in neon intensity when you remove the scope shows or tells you that the circuit was tuned with the probe impedance loading the circuit right? I say keep that critter out of there and get a feel for this circuit by tuning in the dark for awhile. First, check that you have the proper capacitance to the backplate. Then apply Dr. Stifflers +/- current measurements experiment exactly as he instructed to set it up and see if you see differences in the supply branches. Tune for maximum neon intensity and minimum current from the supply simultaneously. Then try the experiment a few times. Don't change the supply settings at all. Just turn it off and on. Do it with the scope probe in circuit and then remove the probe and then try no scope in circuit and power up, you know try a bunch of different combinations.  Remember No Earth grounds! Not in supplies! Not in test equipment including possibly that probe ground clip, yes? It is a lot of rules to remember but I'm learning to listen pretty well. Keep up the good work. I hope to be getting the heat measurements soon. I'm going to rely on Windows to perform something for extended hours without locking up.....be afraid....be very afraid........

Best regards,

Jim