Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[scraven]

let me explain myself. When you use the term watts you imply that you are drawing current when the only current really involved comes from the mysterious process within the AV plug (the two diodes connected to the electrolysis electrodes). I'm putting forward the idea that the current comes from a reactive power interaction rather than the popular "lattice" explanation.
No offense intended in regards to your own theories - just throwing some ideas in the mix that make a little more sense to me - although you must admit it is reasonable to classify output power in vars rather than watts (watts implies a current draw).
 

[creator]

@All,

Here are some preliminary breadboard results, although no joy yet....

Input: ~20V, not yet set up to measure current. I'm getting ~4us bursts at ~30us intervals that start smoothly at ~10Mhz, ramp to an amplitude of ~55V within a microsecond, and destabilize a microsecond later with the amplitude shooting to about 80v and the frequency randomizing while the amplitude trails off (see scope shot.)

I've tried to copy Lattice333's working breadboard as closely as possible (see breadboard photo.)

I will now go back to further tinkering and reading the thread, but if any kind souls with experience care to take pity on me and point me in the right direction for my next step, I'll be most appreciative, Thanks!

[creator]

@All:

Success at lighting a fluorescent tube with one wire!
Hallelujah!
And thanks, Dr. Stiffler, and all who helped...

More news and photos later after dinner....

[aether22]

@Dr Stiffler - sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't you rate your cell output in kilovar's rather than kilowatts? Its just if you use the term kilowatts you lead people to immediately assume over unity in relation to the input wattage when your actually drawing reactive power (which is totally awesome to be able to produce super high efficient electrolysis with!!!!).

Even with your explanation you are not making much sense to me either, now I'm trying to save Stiffler the bother of dealing with your question.

But you can't say output when you are talking about reactive volts and amps, it is circulating not output.
I am not an expert on this subject and I am sure many could answer it better but you don't seem to have a point as far as I can tell.

The output of the electrolysis should be measured based on gas output or better yet the energy from the flame, and not any electrical power which appears to cause the electrolysis, especially as it may output more gas than the electrical power would predict.  Input at least in the 15-3 is known to be about 1 watt for a solid looking flame output.

[creator]

@Everyone,

Here are the promised additional details, photos, and observations:

1) The first "bursty" scope shot had the probe hooked "upstream" of the output inductor; the new setup has enough "oomph" that the probe is hooked up "downstream" of L2.
2) The new scopeshot shows a fairly clean ~30Mhz sinewave with a peak to peak amplitude of about 160v.
3) Transistor heatsink is slightly warm to the touch.
4) After "playing" with the coil (adding turns, squeezing, etc.) I found a tubular ferrite that I happened to have nearby and tried to bring it near the coil - that brought some good results, and so I then disconnected the coil and put it inside the ferrite tube and then reconnected it - that brought the output on strong, and my "first light" (to borrow an astronomical term ) of the fluor. tube.
5) The tube brightens noticeably when I disconnect the scope probe.

Well, now to "pick up" some of the things I dropped today so I could do this...

I thank God for some headway, thank you Doc for being so open with us all, thanks again to aether22, Lattice333, and ramset. When I can borrow some more time I'll be fiddling with this and its tuning, and trying to replicate some of the other successes I've read about here. I have some new ideas I hope to try as well, God willing.