Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[creator]

@aether22,

It is almost no doubt not yet running "correctly," but I'm a "learn by doing" kind of guy. I'm still working my way through this vast thread and will be applying what I learn (reading) to what I learn (doing.)

For example, I now know that I need to couple my scope via a "sniffer" coil, and that I need to get a 100x probe (now using a 10x.) Also, I'm not yet getting all the effects reported by, for example, Lattice333. So much to learn, so little time! Thank you kindly for the message cross-references, I need to learn about bifurcating oscillators and negative resistance oscillators!   I hope to also try other coil configurations since they're very easy to swap in and out.

@Kator01,

I am using the MPSA06, JameCo PN#26462.

The air-core coil is 40 turns of #26 enameled wire wound around a 7/32" screw thread and then removed; however, I didn't get any "results" until I slipped it inside of a 1-1/16" long x 11/16" diameter ferrite core.

The frequency observations are "all over the map" because the coil changed and the entire setup, including scope tap location changed. I now also know that I can't legitimately couple the scope the way I did.

I have not yet been able to measure power in, working on that.

Thank you kindly for the warning about 2N3553 toxicity, I will avoid that.

Now I'll add one more pretty picture, then I'll shut up until I have something more constructive to say.

[IsaSIO]

@aether22,

It is almost no doubt not yet running "correctly," but I'm a "learn by doing" kind of guy. I'm still working my way through this vast thread and will be applying what I learn (reading) to what I learn (doing.)

For example, I now know that I need to couple my scope via a "sniffer" coil, and that I need to get a 100x probe (now using a 10x.) Also, I'm not yet getting all the effects reported by, for example, Lattice333. So much to learn, so little time! Thank you kindly for the message cross-references, I need to learn about bifurcating oscillators and negative resistance oscillators!   I hope to also try other coil configurations since they're very easy to swap in and out.

@Kator01,

I am using the MPSA06, JameCo PN#26462.

The air-core coil is 40 turns of #26 enameled wire wound around a 7/32" screw thread and then removed; however, I didn't get any "results" until I slipped it inside of a 1-1/16" long x 11/16" diameter ferrite core.

The frequency observations are "all over the map" because the coil changed and the entire setup, including scope tap location changed. I now also know that I can't legitimately couple the scope the way I did.

I have not yet been able to measure power in, working on that.

Thank you kindly for the warning about 2N3553 toxicity, I will avoid that.

Now I'll add one more pretty picture, then I'll shut up until I have something more constructive to say.

Hi creator

hey have you tried the water jug to get the lights off the doc sent me by express mail one of them 52 3 fellows and i tried the water thing and can put 8 of those 4 watt flour tubes around and they are all bright as can be. i got to get me a digital camera so i can sent up some pictures.

try the water man its different

[aether22]

@hartiberlin

I will send PM, but if you read this first; Please create 'locked' topic "Stiffler Ultra Efficient Electrolysis"

I will NO longer participate in an interactive thread. It takes far to much time to clean the garbage posted.

Thank you

Not sure till when, but Stefan is/was on holiday so don't be sure of an ultra swift reply, unless you know he's already back.

[pomodoro]

I would like to know, Dr stiffler, if any measurable current flows from the SEC output inductor to the AV plug.  According to the Frolov references you have given, no current flows between the inductor and the plug while the plug is supplying a load. This is a very amazing claim to make as it goes against known physical laws.
Have you been able to substantiate that claim?

[spinner]

To light or power a device from a single wire is conventional electricity. Every conductor is capacitively coupled to the environment, mainly the earth or the ground (for example the capacity of a spherical conductor in space is C=2*pi*epsilon0*R). The neon tube presents also such a capacity to the ground that permits to loop a circuit.
As these capacities are very low (order of pF or less), this explains why high voltages and low currents are preferable to get a significant power.
Of course, even if there is only a single wire, current is consumed because the circuit is looped through the capacity. This is easily verifiable by connecting an ammeter in the circuit of the primary of the transformer powering the neon tube, as in the setup from JL Naudin:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep012.htm
The current flows through the secondary of the HV transformer to the neon tube then to the ground of the setup via the capacitive coupling of the neon to its surrounding and finally back to the secondary of the transformer via the capacity between primary and secondary circuits.
I made myself the measurements after replacing the neon tube by resistive charges R. I checked that the consumed current is inversely proportional to R, in accordance to the ohm law.
I also noted that a voltmeter connected to C3 let the voltage to change due to the added capacity provided by the voltmeter.
All this stuff can be easily modelized by conventional software like LT-spice: you have just to add the hidden parasitic capacities that naturally exist between all conductor parts of the setup.
Thus, no OU in single wire circuits.

I agree. Even the basic Kirchoff's rules/laws (they're valid with RF, too) are enough to explain what is happening.
Evaluating a possible OU (energy "gain") with circuits like this is dependable on a 'real calorimetric measurements' only.
The scope shots, multimeters, (wishfull thinking and cursing) are simply not enough.


*Edited*
Dr.S.