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Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

Started by hartiberlin, October 11, 2007, 05:28:41 PM

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hartiberlin

Hi Ron,
is it okay to just use a sinewave with around 10 Mhz or do we need
a square wave at this frequency to excite the cores ?

As you show a sine frequency on your scopeshots, I guess
you used also your singal generator on sine function, right ?

Please try to find out what resonancefrequency works best
and what the ferrite core with the 2 coils around
it has for its own resonance frequency and how high the Q is.

We really have to nail down the parameters to see, how we
best extract the energy.
At least we have here a first circuit that runs
without any power input and puts out already a few hundred
milliwatts of power for free !
So to scale this up we need to find the right parameters.

Many thanks in advance..
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

amigo

I do not believe there is one single resonant frequency that we can nail this down to. Every coil is different and so with each one it will require some specific tunning. That's what the last circuit on the experiment page is about, it's a fine tuned oscillator but only for the core doc has with him. Our cores would probably be slightly different, depending on other components as well. But this is just my half-educated guess :)

Pirate88179

@ Stefan:

I have followed this topic for a while now and I have a question.  You guys are all much better versed in electronics than I am.  I have a basic, working knowledge, but that's about it.  This circuit, you said, is putting out electricity as evidenced by the three LEDs illuminated in your video, without power input.  When you adjusted the frequency dial on a piece of your equipment I saw the LEDs get brighter, then dimmer.  Excuse my ignorance but, the piece of equipment you were adjusting was plugged in to the grid, correct?  I assume this was just adjusting the frequency as you said in the video (which I enjoyed by the way as I said in an earlier post) but, is there no "energy" passed from that device to the circuit?  I guess I am thinking of it like a radio tuner/amplifier that adjusts the frequencies of the broadcasts and amplifies.  Of course, there are just receivers that do not amplify but, I am just wondering if any energy is entering the circuit from that device?

Also, you stated the frequency that showed the best result as you tuned several times, would it be possible to design a circuit that resonates at this particular frequency such that, you would not need that piece of equipment?

As I said, please forgive my ignorance as to you guys that know, I probably sound like an idiot.  But, at least I know what I know, and I am not afraid to admit when I don't.  Thanks.

By the way.....good decision on the ban. (my opinion.)

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

DrStiffler

Quote from: hartiberlin on October 27, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
Hi Ron,
is it okay to just use a sinewave with around 10 Mhz or do we need
a square wave at this frequency to excite the cores ?

As you show a sine frequency on your scopeshots, I guess
you used also your singal generator on sine function, right ?

Please try to find out what resonancefrequency works best
and what the ferrite core with the 2 coils around
it has for its own resonance frequency and how high the Q is.

We really have to nail down the parameters to see, how we
best extract the energy.
At least we have here a first circuit that runs
without any power input and puts out already a few hundred
milliwatts of power for free !
So to scale this up we need to find the right parameters.

Many thanks in advance..
Regards, Stefan.

@Stefan

The reason I put these circuits out to the public, was to ask for help in duplication so that the answers can be found. These devices are not off the shelf and are FAR from being able to be manufactured and heal the world. I was under the impression that Overunity had a group that were willing to experiment and build circuits in an effort to reach something productive?

If this is not the case then of course these devices do not need to be discussed here. There is NO hard fast rules or MASTER parts list to build from that gives the Holy Grail device. Experimentation is required in order for others to see if they arrive at the same place that I have. I have disclosed and am continuing to disclose all information I have on my web site.

You can use sine or square wave as the driving signal, sine does not produce the same number (less) resonant points as the square wave. In some coils if you use sine you may never obtain the high voltage as indicated by the neon.

I also disagree that just any old coil will do this. You may get a LED or two to light, but see the top of my web page where I show 40+ LEDS from a single wire coil.

Quote from: amigo on October 27, 2007, 11:17:50 PM
I do not believe there is one single resonant frequency that we can nail this down to. Every coil is different and so with each one it will require some specific tunning. That's what the last circuit on the experiment page is about, it's a fine tuned oscillator but only for the core doc has with him. Our cores would probably be slightly different, depending on other components as well. But this is just my half-educated guess :)

@amigo
You are 100% correct in your understanding.

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 27, 2007, 11:59:01 PM
@ Stefan:

I have followed this topic for a while now and I have a question.  You guys are all much better versed in electronics than I am.  I have a basic, working knowledge, but that's about it.  This circuit, you said, is putting out electricity as evidenced by the three LEDs illuminated in your video, without power input.  When you adjusted the frequency dial on a piece of your equipment I saw the LEDs get brighter, then dimmer.  Excuse my ignorance but, the piece of equipment you were adjusting was plugged in to the grid, correct?  I assume this was just adjusting the frequency as you said in the video (which I enjoyed by the way as I said in an earlier post) but, is there no "energy" passed from that device to the circuit?  I guess I am thinking of it like a radio tuner/amplifier that adjusts the frequencies of the broadcasts and amplifies.  Of course, there are just receivers that do not amplify but, I am just wondering if any energy is entering the circuit from that device?

Also, you stated the frequency that showed the best result as you tuned several times, would it be possible to design a circuit that resonates at this particular frequency such that, you would not need that piece of equipment?

As I said, please forgive my ignorance as to you guys that know, I probably sound like an idiot.  But, at least I know what I know, and I am not afraid to admit when I don't.  Thanks.

By the way.....good decision on the ban. (my opinion.)

Bill

@Pirate88179
What Stefan has is very similar to what is called a Bucking Driver for LEDS where the inductance aids in powering the LEDS when the field collapses from the signal gen. as it moves through a complete cycle. If you look under LED Drivers on the internet and look at the bucking systems it may help in understand. A Red LED for example can put out a dim light if a person stands insulated and touches one end to a large mass. In this case it is being excited by ambient 60hz or 50hz.
All things are possible but some are impractical.

hartiberlin

Hi Bill,
I still needed power input from my signal generator,
but as I could only go up to 3 Mhz, this resonant point there
was not yet the best one.
Probably there will be a better one at around 10 to 20 Mhz,
where I would not have needed a ground wire to the metal mesh.

To get this frequency for a specific core, first you have to find
out the core-coil resonant frequency by different measurements
and then you can build for instance a quartz controlled divider
circuit , maybe also with a Phase Locked Loop circuit,
which exactly hits this resonance frequency.

But the best thing would be, if we all could design
bigger coil-core combinations, that could
just be excited with a ground wire only,
as Ron has shown it and which will
then selfoscillate at the right frequency
and produce free energy like Ron did.

But for this case you need a very high quality Q
LC circuit, which will selfoscillate at this frequency
just by the smallest ground currents..
Maybe Ron?s circuit was also excited by the local
radio stations, so the coil-core combination was
just receiving a bit RF power from the radiostation
or a nearby mobile phone transmitter and amplified this then
and did ring at its own resonance frequency...

I hope Ron can find this out and also try it outside his town, where no radio
stations are located.
We really have to see, what the ground wire is inducing into the
circuit, so it will oscillate and light the LEDs up.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum