Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[linda933]

There is no belittling going on at least in my mind.  What is happening is a normal, standard, scientific effort to try to explain what appears to be happening using only purely conventional known phenomena.  Why is this considered to be taboo and odd and mean, somehow?  99.9999999% of all purported and reported OU and "free energy" has turned out to be measurement error so far.

That's what we do as researchers if we are scientific about it.  We seek to find an explanation that fits the facts!  Before concluding that excess energy or free energy is being observed, doesn't it make common sense to measure the input and output energy accurately?  At least? 

Let's keep our feet on the ground here, people!  Leaping to glorious "mysterious energy" conclusions without first making any accurate measurements whatsoever seems to be in very much vogue here!  I'm not suggesting anyone is trying to fool anyone...it just seems like the avoidance of accurate measurement is rampant and a "cornerstone" in so many of these projects!  What's up with that attitude?

Linda

[hartiberlin]

We would need 4 scopeshots to determine
the power out / power in relationship:

1. Voltage at the 50 Ohm resistor
2. voltage at a 1 Ohm shunt going to the 50 Ohm resistor

3. Voltage at the LED
4. current through the LED via a 1 Ohm shunt


Then we can definately say, what is going on.

of course all sweep times usec/div
and amplifier settings must be provided : Volts/div.

Many thanks.

[jonesbeene]

linda933: "Leaping to glorious "mysterious energy" conclusions without first making any accurate measurements whatsoever seems to be in very much vogue here!  I'm not suggesting anyone is trying to fool anyone...it just seems like the avoidance of accurate measurement is rampant and a "cornerstone" in so many of these projects!  What's up with that attitude?"

Indeed. There are many "attitudes" being displayed here, and without making value judgments, it would seem that yours is based in Academia or from a Corporate-Culture where cost and equipment is no object. Lovely - but that is not the case here, where expediency and practicality often dictate that more can be accomplished with a handful of replication attempts costing a few hundred $ each- than with the extraordinary expense of  whizz-bang 1000X probes to see what's going on without scaring away the genie doing the work (as a colleague has opined) -- maybe a P6015a, 100M impedence, 3 pF capacitance, 75 MHz bandwidth (shabby bandwidth but enough for this application). Darn things are kind of expensive, unfortunately: http://www.valuetronics.com/vt/assets/pdfs/TEK_P6015A,P5100,P5102,P5120.pdf

Wish Ron and the rest of us had the luxury of that step first - but in point of fact a totally self-powering device is even more impressive than meter readings that someone will always quibble over anyway - even if requires more hands-on work and repetitive disappointment than what "should be" the case in a perfect world of adequate funding... and even if this one, like most of the rest - does not pan out. About the only hope for a major contribution from those of us without Corportate, National Lab or Acedemic sponsorship is to ferret out that one-in-a-million anomaly which they stumble on - hopefully a crack in the LoT - and pursue that with a vengeance- and with the help of other hands-on types who are similarly inspired.

Given the urgency of the energy crisis, I see no other hope but to pursue every "decent" lead and every reported anomaly- even if 999,9999 out of a million do not pan out. This one appears to be on the upper-end of that 'decency' range, as of now - your (imaginary?)  high-current SigGens notwithstanding...

Jones

[linda933]

linda933: "Leaping to glorious "mysterious energy" conclusions without first making any accurate measurements whatsoever seems to be in very much vogue here!  I'm not suggesting anyone is trying to fool anyone...it just seems like the avoidance of accurate measurement is rampant and a "cornerstone" in so many of these projects!  What's up with that attitude?"

Indeed. There are many "attitudes" being displayed here, and without making value judgments, it would seem that yours is based in Academia or from a Corporate-Culture where cost and equipment is no object. Lovely - but that is not the case here, where expediency and practicality often dictate that more can be accomplished with a handful of replication attempts costing a few hundred $ each- than with the extraordinary expense of  whizz-bang 1000X probes to see what's going on without scaring away the genie doing the work (as a colleague has opined) -- maybe a P6015a, 100M impedence, 3 pF capacitance, 75 MHz bandwidth (shabby bandwidth but enough for this application). Darn things are kind of expensive, unfortunately: http://www.valuetronics.com/vt/assets/pdfs/TEK_P6015A,P5100,P5102,P5120.pdf

Wish Ron and the rest of us had the luxury of that step first - but in point of fact a totally self-powering device is even more impressive than meter readings that someone will always quibble over anyway - even if requires more hands-on work and repetitive disappointment than what "should be" the case in a perfect world of adequate funding... and even if this one, like most of the rest - does not pan out. About the only hope for a major contribution from those of us without Corportate, National Lab or Acedemic sponsorship is to ferret out that one-in-a-million anomaly which they stumble on - hopefully a crack in the LoT - and pursue that with a vengeance- and with the help of other hands-on types who are similarly inspired.

Given the urgency of the energy crisis, I see no other hope but to pursue every "decent" lead and every reported anomaly- even if 999,9999 out of a million do not pan out. This one appears to be on the upper-end of that 'decency' range, as of now - your (imaginary?)  high-current SigGens notwithstanding...

Jones

I'm not trying to discourage replications; far from it.  Why are you using really bad arguments and excuses to try to discourage making measurements?  Whatever gave you the idea a special 1000X high voltage probe would be needed?  We are talking a measly 10MHz and a couple of Volts here!  All I'm suggesting is to stick a couple of one ohm resistors (take ten ten ohm 1% surface mount types in parallel for high accuracy and super-low inductance) in the circuit and take a peek at how much current is flowing in the input and the output.  Total cost maybe $3.00...use standard run-of-the-mill 10X probes and any low-cost low-bandwidth 'scope. 

In order to be of any use in solving real energy needs, I'm afraid any workable approach will have to stand up to actual measurements unless it can be freed from needing any external input at all!  Just a fact of life, not really anything to get upset about.  Don't you think so, really?

Linda

[fritz]

What happens ?

Imagine that the beads have a low resistance for
the 10MHz switching frequency and high resistance
for the L1,L2,..LED discharging frequency (lets say 50- 100MHz).
On switching off the DC(<=10MHz) part of the L1,L2 reverse voltage charges C1,
the AC part(>=10MHz) is consumed via L2,LED.
This means the pulse generator operates against the negative
voltage of C1 which might be up to 100 Volts.
The pulse generator works with 10kOhm against this
voltage, resulting in a current of 10mA peak - which is the
approx. energy needed to operate the LED.