Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

Okay, this is now important.

Watch my new video over here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj299cuYGeg

I am using a bit different circuit than the Ben Thomas
circuit.
I have a 1 nF cap at the collector of the BC555 C , which goes to the first Litz coil
on the core.
My coupling to the base of the BC 555 C was made via laying just
a trimmer cap onto the core, it is only connected to the base, not anywhere else,
so this just couples via some pF stray capacitance to the coils on the core.
The basis was pulled up via 330 Kohm to +12 Volt supply.

I will now modify my circuit to the real Ben Thomas circuit and try to see,
if it will also work this way and what waveforms I will get then...
Regards, Stefan.

Very good Stefan, now you are getting there, note my comments following to all that may work out a little better for you coupling capacities.

@All

In the old days (Hi Ben!) we used twisted pair insulated wire for small feed back capacities. If you want something below 10pf it is easy to tightly twist up two wires and at first stretch it in a vertical direction in the air. You adjust by cutting off wire (When your circuit is Off). It is a fast and dirty way to make some tests and you will not have to worry about parts shifting and changing your coupling.

Of course a hand full of trimmer caps is ideal, yet down the road when we start to tie the circuit back into itself you may not need them. So if your working with small capacities, you can keep the cost and frustration down with this simple yet effective old trick.

[k4zep]

Okay, this is now important.

Watch my new video over here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj299cuYGeg

I am using a bit different circuit than the Ben Thomas
circuit.
I have a 1 nF cap at the collector of the BC555 C , which goes to the first Litz coil
on the core.
My coupling to the base of the BC 555 C was made via laying just
a trimmer cap onto the core, it is only connected to the base, not anywhere else,
so this just couples via some pF stray capacitance to the coils on the core.
The basis was pulled up via 330 Kohm to +12 Volt supply.

I will now modify my circuit to the real Ben Thomas circuit and try to see,
if it will also work this way and what waveforms I will get then...
Regards, Stefan.

Very good Stefan, now you are getting there, note my comments following to all that may work out a little better for you coupling capacities.

@All

In the old days (Hi Ben!) we used twisted pair insulated wire for small feed back capacities. If you want something below 10pf it is easy to tightly twist up two wires and at first stretch it in a vertical direction in the air. You adjust by cutting off wire (When your circuit is Off). It is a fast and dirty way to make some tests and you will not have to worry about parts shifting and changing your coupling.

Of course a hand full of trimmer caps is ideal, yet down the road when we start to tie the circuit back into itself you may not need them. So if your working with small capacities, you can keep the cost and frustration down with this simple yet effective old trick.

Hi Dr. Stiffler,  Yes I used a twisted cap to neutralize a old transmitter output stage (this goes way back!!!!! My ol 6146 homebuilt transmitter if I remember correctly), just don't cut too much off as you can't put it back.  I can't believe all the progress being made and the excellent modifications to the basic design!  It is just fun to watch the goings on......I should have gone on vacation sooner!!!!  It would seem that a high pass filter to pass the 3rd harmonic and uncouple the base frequency might be a help here, just thinking out loud. There is a heck of a lot going on in/around this circuit more than I understand!

Everyone is getting on the bandwagon and the understanding the needs of the circuit is impressive!  This is what happens when we all work together!
Ben K4ZEP

[DrStiffler]

I said in my last video the wrong oscillation frequency.
It was not around 300 to 500Khz but 5 times higher,
asI forgot, that I had my 5x stretch knob engadged !

Sorry, so my oscillation frequency was really in the range of about 1.5 to 2.5 Mhz.

Hope this helps.

As I see, that Dr. Stiffler now also uses 2.45 Mhz ,
I maybe be at the right track !

Also my neon bulb lights now up very much more at the
litz coils !

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan;

**As I see, that Dr. Stiffler now also uses 2.45 Mhz ,
This depends on where and how you are seeing it. If I scope direct to my oscillator collector I do not see the 2.5mHz that is seen when using a sniffer, or sense coil. The use of a air coupled coil to explore your core will show multitudes of info you can not obtain from the collector direct. Some of what you will see is common and fully expected, while other artifacts are (I believe) a result of the Spatial Coupling.

Not to criticize in any way, (from my work only and may not be the only way) but the coils must be tightly wound and the primary over the top of the secondary.

Maybe I best explain a portion of my SEC hypotheses and that might help in understanding some of my comments.

Back many pages I tried to explain that the 'Energy Coherence' takes place in the inner winding capacity of the coils. Another person posted some pictures that illustrated this concept, (maybe it was EMDevices) actually I think it was in response to a question you had posted. Anyway you have to think microscopic (macro will work and better so we do not need to get into QM). To the small capacities between the turns of the coil the impedance is very high at the macro level and when conditions are correct, frequency, voltage, waveform, each of these small capacitors form a single plate that couples to the Spatial Energy Frame and absorbs energy. Now the return path back to the Spatial Frame is via overall circuit capacity. Thus the circuit is a complete circuit but only at the Spatial Level.

Now because of what I just stated, if you circuit capacity to the Spatial Frame is large it swamps the small capacities of the inner winding of which is very small. Under this condition you can picture a capacitor voltage divider with the majority of energy being dropped through the very small winding capacitors between each turn and the Spatial Frame. Under this condition very little energy is available to the circuit.

By reduction of overall circuit capacity you change the voltage divider in such a way that the circuit receives more excess energy.

Loose coils, long wires, long leads, etc., all degrade the possibility of coupling enough energy to take you to and above unity.

[DrStiffler]

Dear Dr. Stiffler and Fellow Associates,

I'm half way there with the neon lamp test. As you can see from the photo the lamp will brightly illuminate both internal electrodes. But when testing for the single electrode illumination I get zip when using the large GE D2A. Now if I switch to a smaller 4mm Red/Orange device then I get both electrodes illuminated on the single wire side of the AV plug. I then get a dim light on one electrode from the positive diode and then both electrodes are active on the negative side of the other AV diode. Perhaps my IN4148's are unable to deal with the approximate 300 V generated. I need to upgrade them as well as the switching transistor.

When I touch the GE 2DA to the single wire side of the AV plug my LED's drop to about 1/4 brilliance and the relative current drawn from the battery drops 25%. I'm holding the neon lamp with an insulated pair of electronic pliers. This circuit is certainly sensitive to load changes.

I'm still searching through my solid state collection for a better switching transistor. By Monday I'll just order the best I can find at Moser or Digi Key. The PN100 transistor recommended by KZEP4 only has a VCE of 40 volts. This circuit has exceeded that parameter already and is running at 60V. I'm sure a faster transistor with a higher gain will push that voltage even higher. It appears that the requirements of this circuit are the best of all worlds. High Gain, High Frequency Response (gain bandwidth product), VCE in excess of 200V and an Ic on the order of an Amp. Then when we get to that power level we will need an even bigger transistor. I suppose the maximum power imit for this circuit will be reached with the maximum useful saturation current of the Ferrite coil assembly.

The proposal of using a "Tickler" coil on one end of the Ferrite core to observe what is happening there is a most excellent idea. I shall employ that method shortly.

Thank you for your useful comments, May the experiments proceed.

Spokane1

I have this problem of thinking what I say everyone will understand and I sometimes am to short on my statements and leave out meaningful info.

The neon test is just like you did it and Yes if you have LEDS running when you perform it, they should dim. See the post I made to Stefan in regards to SEC and how I envision it to work in a basic overview. What is happening is that you are increasing the circuit coupling to the environment and reducing the Spacial Energy Transfer by altering the capacity division of the circuit and interface coupling.

When an antenna is used in some circuits it only allows the AV Plug to better couple to the surrounding environment and draw current from it, this is NOT the same as Spatial Energy Coherence, therefor the addition of circuit capacity in any way will and should reduce your output.

Great work and effort you and all the others are putting in here.

We are closely approaching enough mass (number of working circuits) that we will soon explore self running. Before we do, everyone with a working circuit must see some gain over unity byt one or more of the various methods, otherwise they will suffer total frustration.

[k4zep]

Dear Dr. Stiffler and Fellow Associates,

I'm half way there with the neon lamp test. As you can see from the photo the lamp will brightly illuminate both internal electrodes. But when testing for the single electrode illumination I get zip when using the large GE D2A. Now if I switch to a smaller 4mm Red/Orange device then I get both electrodes illuminated on the single wire side of the AV plug. I then get a dim light on one electrode from the positive diode and then both electrodes are active on the negative side of the other AV diode. Perhaps my IN4148's are unable to deal with the approximate 300 V generated. I need to upgrade them as well as the switching transistor.

When I touch the GE 2DA to the single wire side of the AV plug my LED's drop to about 1/4 brilliance and the relative current drawn from the battery drops 25%. I'm holding the neon lamp with an insulated pair of electronic pliers. This circuit is certainly sensitive to load changes.

I'm still searching through my solid state collection for a better switching transistor. By Monday I'll just order the best I can find at Moser or Digi Key. The PN100 transistor recommended by KZEP4 only has a VCE of 40 volts. This circuit has exceeded that parameter already and is running at 60V. I'm sure a faster transistor with a higher gain will push that voltage even higher. It appears that the requirements of this circuit are the best of all worlds. High Gain, High Frequency Response (gain bandwidth product), VCE in excess of 200V and an Ic on the order of an Amp. Then when we get to that power level we will need an even bigger transistor. I suppose the maximum power imit for this circuit will be reached with the maximum useful saturation current of the Ferrite coil assembly.

The proposal of using a "Tickler" coil on one end of the Ferrite core to observe what is happening there is a most excellent idea. I shall employ that method shortly.

Thank you for your useful comments, May the experiments proceed.

Spokane1

I have this problem of thinking what I say everyone will understand and I sometimes am to short on my statements and leave out meaningful info.

The neon test is just like you did it and Yes if you have LEDS running when you perform it, they should dim. See the post I made to Stefan in regards to SEC and how I envision it to work in a basic overview. What is happening is that you are increasing the circuit coupling to the environment and reducing the Spacial Energy Transfer by altering the capacity division of the circuit and interface coupling.

When an antenna is used in some circuits it only allows the AV Plug to better couple to the surrounding environment and draw current from it, this is NOT the same as Spatial Energy Coherence, therefor the addition of circuit capacity in any way will and should reduce your output.

Great work and effort you and all the others are putting in here.

We are closely approaching enough mass (number of working circuits) that we will soon explore self running. Before we do, everyone with a working circuit must see some gain over unity byt one or more of the various methods, otherwise they will suffer total frustration.

Hi Dr. Stiffler,
Have you ever tried using a "honeycomb" or spider wound coil?  These are used as low C. coils in very successful crystal radios...just a curiosity. Self running will be most exciting and with the creativity pool available!?  Who Knows?

Ben K4ZEP