Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[Loki67671]

@All,
She looks a little better than yesterday with the additional work. It functions on the bench OK so lets see what it does running and sensing a SEC exciter! One of the troubles I had with the RF was a sensing amp outputting anomalous DC sensing signal that was a result of common mode offset. Hopefully I've cured that but we shall see. The hard work indeed! I haven't even got to the point of trying to keep the SEC tuned for calibration and then a real run. I'm counting on my SEC-3's to have much greater stability than the hacks I've built to date. 

Best regards,

Jim

@All,
Not only does she look better, she works like a charm too. It appears that I will now be able to make direct power input measurements and just display it on a running graph. So for further testing I will not be sticking any meters into my circuits aside from this sensing device at the LPF. No long probe leads involved.  I seem to remember being told that too!  RF probing has apparently shown the LPF to be very effective. I'm going to tweak the sensing resistor values and get a little closer to the center of the full scale sensing input range to minimize Pout error which by the way is fairly low to begin with, less than -1.0% when Vsense set at the correct point. This is coming together very nicely indeed!  Much more to come. The IC being utilized for this, right now, is a MAX4210B if anyone is interested and this will obviously be an input channel to the DAQ. There is also a MAX4211B on that board but I might not need it. This is all good until I figure out how I'm lying to myself, or what I've missed, if I am missing something.   

Have a great day and Best regards,

Jim

[nickle989]

I added a tad of baking soda just to see what would happen

I would not use baking for a prolonged period of time as it produces a harmful gas.

How long did it take for the voltage to rise to 80volts? How far can it climb?  If you bring the plates closer together it should rise very fast ... but even with them apart at 1/8 it will just take a bit longer but have a slower prolonged time of energy release.

I have always maintained that the higher voltage/low amperage is the way the to go as I think of the unique qualities that it has when breaking atomic bonds ... however everyone is dead set against it ... one of its by products can create d2o ... high voltage safety factors etc ... I say let the tester beware.  At the same time of reaching a higher voltage avoiding the corona to avoid the destruction of the newly seperated hho ... making a jump higher should be able to create an atomic level vacuum in that moment of time/space ... might even see a very dim glow in between the plates.  Once at that stage one will reach the best level of production.

It is easier to get high voltage with less amps in nature.

[storre]

Hi Bill,
I still needed power input from my signal generator,
but as I could only go up to 3 Mhz, this resonant point there
was not yet the best one.
Probably there will be a better one at around 10 to 20 Mhz,
where I would not have needed a ground wire to the metal mesh.

I'm on page 8 of this crazy thread and relieved the show of egos is over and praying it's not the reason it has another 43 to go!

Anyway, I'm seeing a lot of reference to frequency generators, scopes etc and thought it was time I got more equipment expecially equipment that would be necessary for this replication. Did a quick ebay search and found this which seems to have what I need http://cgi.ebay.com/20-MHZ-FUNCTION-GENERATOR-FREQUENCY-COUNTER-ZAPPER_W0QQitemZ280229778743QQihZ018QQcategoryZ97196QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm wondering what dr. stiffler would recommend as basic equipment needed to work with this replication.

[DrStiffler]

I'm on page 8 of this crazy thread and relieved the show of egos is over and praying it's not the reason it has another 43 to go!

Anyway, I'm seeing a lot of reference to frequency generators, scopes etc and thought it was time I got more equipment expecially equipment that would be necessary for this replication. Did a quick ebay search and found this which seems to have what I need http://cgi.ebay.com/20-MHZ-FUNCTION-GENERATOR-FREQUENCY-COUNTER-ZAPPER_W0QQitemZ280229778743QQihZ018QQcategoryZ97196QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm wondering what dr. stiffler would recommend as basic equipment needed to work with this replication.

@storre

I will try to answer your question as I think most would that are working with SEC Exciters.

Even with top of the line TE (test equipment) you will have a problem seeing enough to understand what is going on and what affects what. Normally you would hang a fair quality meter on the power input lines prior to a LPF between the supply and the unit and then start to explore the various points within the circuit with a scope.

Well sounds good, but don't work well. You have an area where it seems that no matter what you do, you can not get rid of the RF. Think you have good LPF and still see (may be a scope artifact) RF all over the place where it should not be.

Probing with a scope or meter changes the circuit dynamics so what you see is not what you want to see. Kind of like you change it when you look at it (heard that before?)

DVM's and DMM are not to good and old style analog meters cause problems in big ways. For the most part you measure a SEC Exciter from a distant point, like heat or light output and look at the frequency domain rather than the time domain.

Now because I have not helped a bit, bottom line is a good DMM like 1% or better accuracy and you can get some good meters for under $100, I for some reason like the ExTech stuff if you don't get the bottom end.

A scope to >100Mhz, dual trace with cursors, the more bells and whistles the better, but the price goes up. 10:1 probes minimum and at least one 100:1. If you have the money a Spectrum Analyzer, around $2K for one to do a fair job. You do not need one, but it sure helps.

Lets hope others jump in here and offer help to, that way you can get a feel for how others are looking at these circuits.

[storre]

Thank you Dr. S

?and this function generator i found on ebay? It's necessary and has the necessary range and features or does it need to be battery operated only?