Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[hartiberlin]

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@All,
please stay ontopic.
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I can see now in my new AM coil , that only 1 core out of 3 gives
a neon bulb lighting up at the unconnected coil wire end.
But I have to recheck this.
But one core was definately better than another one.

I also now have a litzwire coil and wound  10 windings of about 0.5 mm
diameter copper wire around it.

I did not yet build up the new oscillator,this comes next.
But with my old function generator going up to about 2 to 3 Mhz
I see now a resonance at around 2 Mhz, but the brightness
of the LEDs is still best, when I just use the 10 windings coil
and not putting the square into litz coil and using the 10 windings coil
as the outpt.
So the just-choke solution is still  better than the transformer solution.

But I can see, that using the ferrite core enhances the light output a bit,
when I remove or insert the ferrite core again.

So I see some gain already versus just driving the LEDs with just only
the signal generator output.

So now I am going to build up the 74AC14 oscillator and will see,
how this behaves at frequencies around 10 Mhz.
Stay tuned for pics and new video.

Regards, Stefan.

[DrStiffler]

@Stefan

Thank you sir. With you now on board I think we are on a road to something that just may have a meaningful impact on humanity.

[plengo]

@Dr. Stiffler
Thank you for your efforts.
At http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg56857.html#msg56857 (10vpp square waves from the func gen) is the diagram and at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg56860.html#msg56860 is the 50+ leds lid. THere is nothing on this circuit really but it still lights up pretty well. I tested this over the wall VAC or using a battery with an inverter and same results. I put a ampmeter at point A (on the diagram) and ground (not shown on any of the pics) and thats where I got the output measurement. I also tried with the ampmeter between the lead of the func gen and the first led on the left where I got the input measurement. Notice that it is only one wire going to the leds and one going to the ground. I show it on a video at you tube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-WGgUkOvY.

Dr, the only reason I am asking this is because I really do not understand how is it possible to just using the signal from the func gen to light up all this LEDs. This off course is without the amplification but still and the currents that I am getting back from the amp-meters are way too low for even lighting up one led. (I am a little ashaimed to even ask you this Dr. with such a stupid diagram of mine). I end up with this simple test after trying your design (at http://www.drstiffler.com/ and part #2 Fig: 01 - Basic circuit diagram ) and changing things to the point that it is now.

Oh another thing, if connecting the other lead of the func gen to the point A and/or removing the ground connection the LEDs will NOT light up. Very strange indeed.

Fausto.

[k4zep]

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.

[DrStiffler]

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.

Do not be afraid to ask, this is why I am here and what I am asking you all to do, that said lets look at what you have.

If the generator will not drive the LEDS direct and you have no inductance, one thing comes to mind. Place 4.7K ohm resistor from your generator to you ground connection, exclusive of the LEDS. In other words the generator Hot lead to one end of the resistor and the other end of the resistor to your ground connection. With a VOM or DVM or DMM measure the voltage across the resistor. Measure both A.C. and D.C. Don't worry about the meters frequency response, I expect to see a high A.C. voltage across the resistor. Even though you tried the inverter arrangement I suspect low level A.C. versus the generator signal.

How all of what I just said is rubbish if you can adjust the frequency to either side and the LEDS dim or go out. Should this be the case I might try a different outlet strip as the one you are using contains harmonic suppression inductors or varistors which could be bleeding into the A.C. hot side.