Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[hartiberlin]

With my BC 555, which by the way are very cheap, I bought about 50 pieces for around 1.50 Euros, about 2 US$, it is recommended to keep the input current below 40 mA, otherwise this transistor gets too hot. Sometimes I was able to get the input current down to 15 mA and keep the same brightness as when I used 40 mA of input current.  So you really have to tune the used waveform for minimum input current while keeping the output constant...

[DrStiffler]

@All,

now that I have "Thomas design" device working and scorpio posted his replication I must ask this question. Please no offence to anyone or Dr. Stiffler for this question. Look at the picture from scorpio and notice where I replace the left box with my FuncGen and on the right instead of an antenna I have my 250ft lamp wire cable about 23awg (well pretty much an antenna as EMdevices stated rightly so).

Why would using a FuncGen the LEDs being lit would be explained by "Stray Capacitance / Resonance / Transmission lines" but NOT Dr. Stiffler Thomas design device?

I am a little confused. How can I know, or what are the procedures should I follow (sorry for not being that well versed in electronics and electrical engineering principles) to know for sure both designs are not working because of RF? For me FuncGen and THomas oscilator are pretty much the same except that with Thomas design it self-regulates to the correct frequency while the FuncGen I must do it manually. With both designes I was able to light all those LEDs, have the neon lamp lit and exactly the same wave pattern on the osciloscope.

I am only trying to understand the difference because I believe there lies one of the secrets. I am pretty sure Dr. Stiffer has an answer for that (please Dr. do not be upset with my question even though I already seen this kind of question many times on the beggining of our quest on this thread).

Fausto.

ps: the picture shows that I connect one lead of the FuncGen to the 470p cap at the base of the transitor. Replace only the transistor, resistor, L1, caps from the battery and battery with FuncGen.

@plengo

Don't worry about upsetting me, I have recently developed a thicker skin.

Look back a couple of post, one I made to Stefan on an overview (simple) covering SEC. How do you tell the difference and how do you know its not RF?

You know the difference when you can measure a unity > 1.
It is RF, but the way it reacts to the environment is very different. Closed RF systems with an antenna will radiate (provided the correct impedances are present) or will heat a dummy load. With the AV plug you see an environmental coupling if you use an antenna, that is why (depending on where you connect it) you will see either an increase in brightness and input current or a decrease in brightness.

In SEC you still have a circuit to Spatial Frame coupling (call it environment if you wish) but you absorb energy without pulling it from you supply source. It become somewhat more difficult to obtain the coupling when the the primary and secondary are closed, it becomes very sensitive. I doubt very much that I will present a closed system that does this. I much prefer my original where one end of the primary and one end of the secondary are open.

I know I have mentioned it before in the thread, but it being so long I will again, 'SEC is based on voltage NOT current, it is a capacitive coupling effect and not inductive, SEC (to the best of my work) does not take place unless the output of the AV Plug is 100 or more volts.'

The problem that is apparent here is that some people want dearly to explain this as totally conventional, yet can not explain the excess energy, therefore in their minds it does not exist. I am trying to integrate as much conventional as possible, yet I go a bit further and try to explain (outside of convention) where the actual energy is coming from.

This is a big can of worms until all of you with working circuits can show some of that energy, until such time all the conventionalist's will rule and we will revisit you question over and over and over.

[DrStiffler]

With my BC 555, which by the way are very cheap, I bought about 50 pieces for around 1.50 Euros, about 2 US$, it is recommended to keep the input current below 40 mA, otherwise this transistor gets too hot. Sometimes I was able to get the input current down to 15 mA and keep the same brightness as when I used 40 mA of input current.  So you really have to tune the used waveform for minimum input current while keeping the output constant...

Stefan!

Can you not order from US? or do they charge you different. A number of us have purchased hundreds of the PN100, PN200, MPSA06 for pennies. My last order for MPSA06 was $0.016ea. At least this way you can burn them and not cry. I get most of my parts from www.jameco.com although you need to watch them as sometimes they (drop ship) so you freight can eat you up.

Anyway $2 US is awful.

[Spokane1]

Dear Non-funded Researchers,

If you are considering developing improved variations to the blocking oscillator portion of the Thomas Driver, then as a suggestion ?don?t re-invent the wheel? see what the experts were doing 60 years ago. I believe that most modern electronic theory courses don?t cover this once important circuit. There are at least a hundred or more potential improvements that can still be made to the Dr. Stiffler technology and many of them are waiting to be rediscovered in the old texts of analog electronics.

Mr. Hartmann and others have already proposed a number of improvements, all of which have merit and need to be explored in detail. The latest is the addition of a coil between the Thomas Driver and the AV plug. Believe it or not this variation is called a delay-line blocking oscillator and is discussed in detail in the book "Waveforms" (see below). I think we have only touched the surface of what this modification can provide.

Meanwhile, here is a partial list of some excellent technical books that you might have a good chance of finding at your local college library. Or, if you have the $$ you can buy them off on the Internet. There are a lot of other good reports on blocking oscillators out there, but many are hidden in the journals of professional organizations (i.e. IEEE Proceedings).

1) ?Waveforms?, edited by Britton Chance, Vernon Hughes, Edward F. MacNichol, David Sayre and Frederic C. Williams 1949 McGraw Hill Book Co.  Reprinted by Dover in 1965 Library of Congress Number 65-22733

2) ?Pulse Electronics? Ralph Litttauer 1965 McGraw-Hill Inc. Library of Congress Number 64-22195

3) ?Pulse and Digital Circuits? Jacob Millman and Herbert Taub 1956 McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc. Library of Congress Number 55-11930

4) ?Pulse, Digital, and Switching Waveforms? Jacob Millman and Herbert Taub 1965 McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc. Library of Congress Number 64-66293

5) ?Basic Pulse Circuits? Richard Blitzer (RCA Institutes) 1964 McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc. Library of Congress Number 63-15107


Submitted for your consideration,

Spokane1

[plengo]

You know the difference when you can measure a unity > 1.
It is RF, but the way it reacts to the environment is very different. Closed RF systems with an antenna will radiate (provided the correct impedances are present) or will heat a dummy load. With the AV plug you see an environmental coupling if you use an antenna, that is why (depending on where you connect it) you will see either an increase in brightness and input current or a decrease in brightness.

Thank you Dr. Stiffler. Now it makes perfect sence to me. So in other words (if I understood you right) with conventional models the antenna approach (shown on the previous pics and posts of mine) the device would be emitting energy out from the source, but with SEC (properly tunned) will draw energy (may be from the antenna in my example or the coil) into the device, the opposite of the conventional model which would be a problem because of errouneous EM models.

And you right, depending where I connect my "antenna" in the circuit it will bright the LEDs or dim them. I have experienced both and that's exactly where I started doubting the conventional model.

If you right about the SEC then would be correct to predict that any "antenna" attached to this device would not get hot? Should the LEDs run cold? and possible our future load? And If I understood you right, SEC being "capacitive" the load we will endup putting onto this system will only work if we make the load "less capacitive" and SEC device (or vice-versa)?

Another question: do you see this "cold electricity" (may be radiant?) with properties similiar to fluid or gaseous? If yes, would that be an explanation for the "microphonics" effect we seen in one of the other fellas here ? My opinion is that it is gaseous somehow and when ones hands approach the device it affects its radiant flow and since our coil is working somehow as an "antenna" but in reverse mode (withdrawing energy from the environment) it is also affecting the coils inside the radio with miscroscopic perfection thus modulation.

So many questions so little time. I really appreciate your work Dr. Stiffler.

Fausto.