Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@Loki
How did the Relative IR readings come out, as I guessed or different?

[amigo]

@Amigo
Early in the thread the ability of LEDs to act like photo detectors was discussed, indeed the clear glass 1N4148s will do similar things. I can't remember if it was here or a private conversation where I mentioned painting the 4148s black ti insure they did not pick up light. I have indeed used LEDs in solar positioning detectors, but it would be new to get the power out of them to this level. If all LEDs were reverse biased, where and how would they store and change the polarity for addition during a forward cycle?

Hi Doc,

There's also something else that came to mind just now, something that Marco had posted in another thread, regarding the AVP.

There are several things most people seem to miss when we look at things like the Avramenko's plug. One for example is, when it is used to charge up a capacitor, the effective adding to the charge in the cap decreases when the voltage the cap is charged to rises.

The reason for this is simple, The charge in the cap "pushes" against the charge coming from the plug. If the cap is empty it will store much of the energy coming from the plug, but when the cap is charged to let's say 100 volts, the cap pushes 100 volts against the plug...
So let's say the plug sends 200 volts to the cap, the effective voltage will be only 200 minus the 100 that already is in the cap = 100 in stead of 200.

This means the cap charges rather fast at first but when it becomes charged, only the voltage from the plug that is above the voltage of the cap will add to the charge. So in effect, the voltage the plug has to overcome the charge of the cap to add to the charge, the 100 volts, is lost in the process. If we could start with an totally empty capacitor all the time, we would see different things.

Therefore it is important that we get rid of the charge that is in the cap, fighting against the energy coming from the plug. That is one of the things some people miss and i do not want to make it too difficult to understand.

Another thing is that Diodes are leaky, they never cut off the flow totally. You could look at them as if their resistance changes but not between a zero ohm and infinity. Vacuum diodes, however do block the flow in one direction. There is a great difference between them. You can have something that is totally closed or you can have something that is almost closed.

In the case of the almost closed situation there can be a back flow of energy due to charge differences, and even in opposite directions.

An interesting thing to look at is the "Avalanche breakdown" where the electrons are ripped off. It has been claimed that when this happens, the ripped off electrons are replaced by electrons out of the environment, so in effect they attract energy from the local environment.

Perhaps the LEDs act opposite of the capacitors or are leaking (almost closed from the example above)?

[argona369]

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Hey RStiffler,

did harti give you the power to edit other peaples posts???
or does EMdevices=RStiffler?
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If you have nothing of value to say, just don't say it.

This has no value, sound like atypical useless post

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just wondered. after talking to Harti, it seems resonable that your just
editing chaff from your own invention thread, and can't read Private mail or anything as moderator.
thanks,
Cliff,

[Pirate88179]

Dr. Stiffler:

With my work with leds in the earth battery experiments I have seen them act in a photo voltaic manner.  I have since read that some colors and types are better than others but I can take one of my cheap, run of the mill red leds outside in the sunlight and measure voltage.  I can also measure voltage on one by shining a maglight at it.  It was not much, I don't remember the exact readings but it is there.  I am not claiming that this is what is happening here at all, it is just possible it could add a little to the circuit.  I have read here (on OU.com) that they use the green leds to track the sunlight in solar applications.  You would think the led manufacturers would be all over this and maybe they are but I have not read any mainstream stuff on this effect.  Please keep up your great efforts here.  Thanks.

Bill

[Loki67671]

@Loki
How did the Relative IR readings come out, as I guessed or different?

They are different for now, but that is an apples and oranges statement on my part, and of course I am distracted and investigating it. The specific experiment I have held off for now, while I figure out what is going on. I'm getting heat! But not where I expect it! Which makes me very cautious.  There are several possibilities and I have to try and rule them out 1 by 1.  The specific experiment is actually going to happen this morning.  I will let you know.

Regarding ruling them out 1 by 1, I have ruled many out already. 

@Loki67671

Regarding shining the laser, in order for that to work the wavelength of the LED has to match the wavelength of the laser, for best results. Also, I bet you could shine a specific kind of a laser at the AV plug and excite the 1N4148 (if they are glass), it's really a matter of matching the wavelength of the PN junction.

Yes, and the reason I was lining up additional lasers    I have also considered the IR emitter/receiver pairs and various circuit configurations.  With that, along with stealing the laser from a CD player. A word of immediate caution on that note. For those reading this and that may not know the laser in the CD device is IR wavelengths. DO NOT LOOK INTO IT! YOU CANNOT SEE IT'S EMMISIONS BUT THEY WILL DO DAMAGE JUST THE SAME! ALSO YOU MUST GET A PAIR OF LASER BLOCKING SAFETY SPECS IF YOU ARE GOING TO WORK WITH LASERS AT ALL! There is much to do!

I believe most people never think about it or try it because most PN junctions are enclosed into metal or epoxy but with LEDs and some diodes they are open to external influence but nothing happens because wavelengths are different. I suppose we could compute the size of the PN junction in the 1N4148 and hit it with that wavelength, I bet you we'd get excitation.
Too bad we don't have some kind of a laser that can be tuned to various wavelengths, it would make for quite an interesting experience.

I agree about the NE glow, it is mesmerizing to watch, but what interests me is that while I'm tuning the coil I get different behaviours of the glow. I'll paste here something from the wikipedia first:

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When driven from a DC source, only the negatively charged electrode (cathode) will glow. When driven from an AC source, both electrodes will glow
(each during alternate half cycles). Neon lamps operate using a low current glow discharge.

Once lit, a neon lamp has a negative resistance characteristic: increasing the current flow through the device increases the number of ions, thereby
decreasing the resistance of the lamp and allowing even more current to flow. Because of this characteristic, electrical circuitry external to the neon
lamp must provide a means to limit current flow through the circuit or else the current will rapidly increase until the lamp is destroyed.

I always remember those paragraphs because while looking at my setup depending where I tune the coil I'd get one electrode to glow or both (glow would be between the electrodes), yet I am not sure whether that should happen or not.

Agreed again, see both DC and AC excitation of the NE and combinations in the bigger tubes. I have always been interested in the negative resistance operational range of an NE bulb or other plasma for that matter.

Also, I have been playing around with various choke values for the AVP connections and right now a slightly modified version of the circuit runs with HV properties (NE is glowing) and LEDs are super bright while being driven by a 6V from the power supply which is basically 1/2 of what Doc suggests to use. Current usage is about 21ma...

@Amigo
You can tell when someone is looking at the same thing as you are.  I have seen all of what you describe above including the very low input voltage with NE and LED's just blazing, but I have no motor action with that going on. It is very interesting. Man I wanted to try the choke combinations myself. Remember Dr. Stiffler saying "LF, HF, VHF, and UHF"? I was going to try a steering type array originating at the collector node but with various chokes having SRF's that cover the range there followed by AVP's and LED's. I will eventually get at that too.  But I'm going into my lab for the morning session, which of course is the basement of my house. 

I will update later today.

Happy hunting folks and best regards,

Jim