Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

Thank you fritz and and doc for your replies.

BTW, Doc, when I go to http://www.stifflerscientific.com/
and then click on the first menu item "Main Section"
the link points to
http://67.76.235.52/ce4.asp

But then I get
"The page cannot be found"
(also tried this yesterday with same result).

@Gustav22

will get that fixed today, thanks for telling me

***We found a Dec. backup and it should be on in an hour or two. Seems this one did not get recovered after the little fire and machine rebuild.

[DrStiffler]

AMIGO I saw a fellow selling new laser point thermometer on ebay 18.00 ILL try to find it I believe it only went to 250 degrees[Should be fine ]   Chet

@ramset

Yes these are great little devices, but remember it gives a relative indication for SEC, only calorimetry will give the true result.

We picked up a couple from ebay for $49US that were the same as $99 out of pro equipment web site and we got a nice case to keep them clean. I would say if anyone bought one that get one that reads some high temps or the use is somewhat limited. The ones we got read ~4->1386F and -20->750C They were ThermoTech TT1382

[DrStiffler]

@Dr. Stiffler,
No heat sink required! Transistor is cool. Looked to be approximately 60F. 22uH looked to be approximately 64F. I could not get a reading on the Neon for some reason besides 58F. I have to take these readings with a black isolation surface as you have reminded me. I will do that ASAP! It is starting to look good but I'm not quite there yet! I get RF burned on the 22uH so I won't be "touching" that too much more.  20VDC at 89ma in this pic. I can and did have very similar values at much less input so what I'm telling you right now is just ballpark. Will have more precise details as soon as possible.

Best regards

Jim

@Loki
So when you are working in the lab you are constantly jumping up and down, waving your arms back and forth and constantly pushing the fur from the parka out of your eyes  Man your ambient is cold you need to get this running, you need to look at the transistor curve/temp maybe your hfe is zip 

@All
I sent this to Loki and will post here so you have an idea what you are looking for, the following is just a sample set of temp with a gun when ambient surrounding temp was 23.5C,

The 22uH choke ->48C
The Neon ->45C
The transistor -> 25C
The 10uH choke ->24C

Might help some in getting closer....

[DrStiffler]

@All
Latest on HHO testing.

My 0.032" SS arrived, I wound what I wanted in electrodes and fired it up. After we hours into the morning and an empty bottle of Booths sad results.

I was getting almost nothing in gas.  started chopping and adjusting the shape of the electrodes (length) and getting only teeny weeny bubbles. I really started chopping off wire and things started to improve, the less wire the better production. At last it got to a point where I was down to a couple tips of SS.

Stopped cut a couple new lengths of the 0.018 (7 strand cable) stuck in in the dual duct setup and guess what (relative speaking) looked like twice the production. Also what was evident was how the bubble looked. On the 0.032 SS they were many times larger and were very slow to break free from the wire. On the small cable they were very small, broke free as liberated and were in massive number, so much so that you can watch a circulation current in the tube where some are pulled back down and then move back up. Will make for a good video.

So what happened and what am I saying. Sticking my short neck out here, but my first thoughts are;

1) When using a SEC Exciter, the electrodes must present a hi impedance to the exciter, this goes against the massive number of plates idea head on.

2) Adding NaCl reduces production (see 1)

3) It does not appear at all to be following Faraday. So if its not current and the voltage is not that high, then maybe SEC and its broad spectrum is indeed causing a different type of liberation (?)

any way an up to what has happened so far, headed out for the aspirin

[amigo]

@Amigo
The simplest possible exciter, one plug and one high current neon (<1mA) when running properly will have the 22uH and Neon so Hot that unless you don't feel heat or have think skin, will burn to the touch (not rf burn or sensation from the rf) real burn from heat. When one has a temp gun some (relative temps can be checked), but they only indicate things are working, but of course can't tell how well. In this simple circuit if the transistor (without heat sink) or the 10uH get hot or even overly warm to the touch then its not running in the right mode. I have am at the point where I can pretty much tell by the color of the gas in the neon when it is close to right. I told Loki that to me it appears to be either a very bright orange with a reddish cast to it (of course here we have, do we have a standard bulb).

Hi Doc,

So it sounds as I am on the right track because nothing gets hot. I did notice various colours of the gas in the NE2 and I do remember seeing bright orangy-red, which looked to me like a real overdrive.

Otherwise, I do believe I have the exact same components, except for the coil form that you use, mine is a bit shorter and thicker. I'll post a photo of my coils today.

Thanks.