Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@Fausto,
you use about 20 Volts and about 100 mA of input current.
Then, why do you say you are using 13 Watts of input power.
Isnt this just about 2 Watts only ?
How did you hook up your battery to get it charging ?
I also want to use my coming SEC to charge selfmade NiMh batteries.
By the way, does somebody know,
where I can buy the raw materials for NiMh batteries ? I want to build BIG ones... 

Really like to see someone trying to charge a big cap instead of a battery using the SEC. Some have claimed OU effects using caps, though not very objective measurements were used.

@alan
I'm sure we would all be interested in your results, are you running SEC on a proto-board in your exploration of the circuit??

I'm still observing the thread, now and then giving a suggestion which I think would be helpful. I have nothing replicated.. yet I don't have measuring equipment.

I was thinking that if people have tried charging a battery, it is little work to replace it with a cap. Easier said that done though, but worth trying.

@alan
Now I understand.

Your statement:
**Really like to see someone trying to charge a big cap instead of a battery using the SEC. Some have claimed OU effects using caps, though not very objective measurements were used.

Is this also in reference to how I have done it?

Many people over the last number of months have done this, although few have posted on the net, I have, so what is the protocol you would suggest that would be definitive to you?

Be aware that testing can not be active, in other words you can not hang a meter across a cap and watch the charge. Almost all test that have been done were conducted while monitoring input parameters during a timed period. Stopping the SEC and measuring the cap voltage and extrapolating charge from this. So please what is "not very objective" and how would you do it if you had test equipment??

[mudwump]

My intentions are to build a full wave diode bridge rectifier on the output of the SEC. The output of this would go to a dual capacitor circuit that puts one capacitor in charge mode and the other in service mode providing power to the SEC. I am still waiting parts, so I am still in design phase. I am not sure at this point, if I will put the capacitors charge/service circuit on a timer, switch manually, or base the switch on voltage. Any ideas?

[DrStiffler]

My intentions are to build a full wave diode bridge rectifier on the output of the SEC. The output of this would go to a dual capacitor circuit that puts one capacitor in charge mode and the other in service mode providing power to the SEC. I am still waiting parts, so I am still in design phase. I am not sure at this point, if I will put the capacitors charge/service circuit on a timer, switch manually, or base the switch on voltage. Any ideas?

@mudwump
Unless you are thinking of something I can not visualize, how are you connecting this bridge so that it floats? The AV Plug is at a high impedance above ground, so what is the other leg for the bridge?

This has been tried by a number of people, but the minute you complete the circuit back to any common reference SEC is DEAD! I can not say this enough although this is most likely the 10kth time.

Now, I may just not see what you want to do, can you post to us a drawing? by hand is great, then I can see if I am missing something here.

Keep up the work..........

[alan]

@Fausto,
you use about 20 Volts and about 100 mA of input current.
Then, why do you say you are using 13 Watts of input power.
Isnt this just about 2 Watts only ?
How did you hook up your battery to get it charging ?
I also want to use my coming SEC to charge selfmade NiMh batteries.
By the way, does somebody know,
where I can buy the raw materials for NiMh batteries ? I want to build BIG ones... 

Really like to see someone trying to charge a big cap instead of a battery using the SEC. Some have claimed OU effects using caps, though not very objective measurements were used.

@alan
I'm sure we would all be interested in your results, are you running SEC on a proto-board in your exploration of the circuit??

I'm still observing the thread, now and then giving a suggestion which I think would be helpful. I have nothing replicated.. yet I don't have measuring equipment.

I was thinking that if people have tried charging a battery, it is little work to replace it with a cap. Easier said that done though, but worth trying.

@alan
Now I understand.

Your statement:
**Really like to see someone trying to charge a big cap instead of a battery using the SEC. Some have claimed OU effects using caps, though not very objective measurements were used.

Is this also in reference to how I have done it?

Many people over the last number of months have done this, although few have posted on the net, I have, so what is the protocol you would suggest that would be definitive to you?

Be aware that testing can not be active, in other words you can not hang a meter across a cap and watch the charge. Almost all test that have been done were conducted while monitoring input parameters during a timed period. Stopping the SEC and measuring the cap voltage and extrapolating charge from this. So please what is "not very objective" and how would you do it if you had test equipment??

Can you please show me to where you have done it?

Not very objective, what I mean is:
1. the caps were charged and shorted out to show big sparks
2. only voltage over the cap was measured

How I would do it:
1. I'd determine the input power. Measuring using a powermonitor in the wallsocket or calculating, if input is DC.
2. I would try to charge the cap., connected where otherwise the battery is placed.
3. If succesfully charged, I'd figure out if the energy in the cap is real by trying different methods, we think we don't know what we are dealing with, so I wouldn't trust the voltage over the cap.
4. one method is making the energy in the cap observable, for instance, by unloading it on an unloadingcircuit where everything can be observed using conventional methods.
5. an other method maybe could be: feeding the SEC with the energy in the charged cap while charging an other cap. First making it possible to feed the sec with the charged cap (for ex. using a chargepump), then finding out how many times the energy can be 'recycled' by using 2 caps, 1 on the input, 1 on the output, exchanging them.

Hope I make sense in my words, I am not always good at narrating 

[alan]

My intentions are to build a full wave diode bridge rectifier on the output of the SEC. The output of this would go to a dual capacitor circuit that puts one capacitor in charge mode and the other in service mode providing power to the SEC. I am still waiting parts, so I am still in design phase. I am not sure at this point, if I will put the capacitors charge/service circuit on a timer, switch manually, or base the switch on voltage. Any ideas?

well, a post above this one, I had posted the same idea
I would base the switch on the current from the service capacitor