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Started by eldarion, October 12, 2007, 05:02:15 PM

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eldarion

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October 22, 2007, 05:45:44 PM
Hi Bob,

I received a new batch of MAX627 driver chips today, so I went ahead and fired up the controller again.  Nothing interesting happened! :o :-[

Connecting either end of the secondary to ground did not short out the lamp like it did last time.  COP is now far below 1, and I am scratching my head trying to figure out what happened! :D  It is almost as if LMD had manifest in the previous attempt (multiple times and on-demand), but now all I am getting is TEM.

The only thing that I can think of is that the primary drive signals have more oscillation on them than before.  Once again, I have no idea how this happened, and I have yet to figure out a way to damp it out.  LMD will not manifest with large-amplitude oscillations in the primaries, correct?
Had a bad drive chip, I think.  Replaced it and the signals are pretty clean again.  Still not working, though.

Running frequency sweeps still changed the intensity of the bulb in a nonlinear fashion, but with the COP so low I couldn't get anything interesting to happen.  LMD generation seems rather finicky...

Any ideas would be welcome! ;)

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Bob Boyce

#6
October 22, 2007, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: eldarion on October 22, 2007, 05:45:44 PM
Hi Bob,

I received a new batch of MAX627 driver chips today, so I went ahead and fired up the controller again.  Nothing interesting happened! :o :-[

Connecting either end of the secondary to ground did not short out the lamp like it did last time.  COP is now far below 1, and I am scratching my head trying to figure out what happened! :D  It is almost as if LMD had manifest in the previous attempt (multiple times and on-demand), but now all I am getting is TEM.

The only thing that I can think of is that the primary drive signals have more oscillation on them than before.  Once again, I have no idea how this happened, and I have yet to figure out a way to damp it out.  LMD will not manifest with large-amplitude oscillations in the primaries, correct?
Had a bad drive chip, I think.  Replaced it and the signals are pretty clean again.  Still not working, though.

Running frequency sweeps still changed the intensity of the bulb in a nonlinear fashion, but with the COP so low I couldn't get anything interesting to happen.  LMD generation seems rather finicky...

Any ideas would be welcome! ;)

Eldarion

How is the load connected? Remember, LEM will want to flow mostly from the secondary to ground, but you cannot ground or apply the DC potential the other side of the secondary unless you run it through a healthy choke first. Across both ends of the secondary would be some TEM, at low COP. If running in pulsed mode the longitudinals will not produce DC, but rotational mode should.

Bob

Almost forgot, getting rid of one of my old hydroxy version HexControllers on eBay ;-)

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eldarion

#7
October 22, 2007, 10:55:02 PM
Quote from: Bob Boyce on October 22, 2007, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: eldarion on October 22, 2007, 05:45:44 PM
Hi Bob,

I received a new batch of MAX627 driver chips today, so I went ahead and fired up the controller again.  Nothing interesting happened! :o :-[

Connecting either end of the secondary to ground did not short out the lamp like it did last time.  COP is now far below 1, and I am scratching my head trying to figure out what happened! :D  It is almost as if LMD had manifest in the previous attempt (multiple times and on-demand), but now all I am getting is TEM.

The only thing that I can think of is that the primary drive signals have more oscillation on them than before.  Once again, I have no idea how this happened, and I have yet to figure out a way to damp it out.  LMD will not manifest with large-amplitude oscillations in the primaries, correct?
Had a bad drive chip, I think.  Replaced it and the signals are pretty clean again.  Still not working, though.

Running frequency sweeps still changed the intensity of the bulb in a nonlinear fashion, but with the COP so low I couldn't get anything interesting to happen.  LMD generation seems rather finicky...

Any ideas would be welcome! ;)

Eldarion

How is the load connected? Remember, LEM will want to flow mostly from the secondary to ground, but you cannot ground or apply the DC potential the other side of the secondary unless you run it through a healthy choke first. Across both ends of the secondary would be some TEM, at low COP. If running in pulsed mode the longitudinals will not produce DC, but rotational mode should.

Bob

Almost forgot, getting rid of one of my old hydroxy version HexControllers on eBay ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220163319193


Ahh...that might explain it.  I just had the 60W light bulb hooked up across the two secondary terminals, not between ground and one end of the secondary.  Putting in about 30W caused the bulb to glow dimly in that configuration.

So I take it that for optimal LMD creation, the "free" end of the secondary (not connected to the load) should be connected through a choke to some sort of HV potential, but never to ground?  I am also guessing that is should not be left floating?

I am always testing in rotational mode; I don't even want to bother with pulsed mode unless absolutely necessary.  I did scope across the bottom longitudinal winding, and did not see any DC offset.  So do I have to have the system in full LMD overunity mode before the DC offset will show up?

Thanks!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Bob Boyce

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October 23, 2007, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: eldarion on October 22, 2007, 10:55:02 PM
Ahh...that might explain it.  I just had the 60W light bulb hooked up across the two secondary terminals, not between ground and one end of the secondary.  Putting in about 30W caused the bulb to glow dimly in that configuration.

So I take it that for optimal LMD creation, the "free" end of the secondary (not connected to the load) should be connected through a choke to some sort of HV potential, but never to ground?  I am also guessing that is should not be left floating?

I am always testing in rotational mode; I don't even want to bother with pulsed mode unless absolutely necessary.  I did scope across the bottom longitudinal winding, and did not see any DC offset.  So do I have to have the system in full LMD overunity mode before the DC offset will show up?

Thanks!

Eldarion

The free end can be left loose, but unless that secondary is within a modulated potential field, it will collect little LEM. I am under the impression that LMD and LEM are different things. LMD is longitudinal potential, while LEM is longitudinal potential that has been modulated for collection.

If you are not seeing DC on the longitudinals, then your field may not be rotating cleanly. Double check your waveforms and timing.

Bob

Jdo300

#9
October 23, 2007, 01:06:47 PM
Hey Eldarion,

you might try putting a cup of water nearby to see if the field has any effect on it. When you get the field rotating properly, the water might respond to it.

Keep up the great work!

God Bless,
Jason O
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