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Overunity Machines Forum



Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!?

Started by ken_nyus, October 15, 2007, 10:08:47 PM

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markdansie

Dear Omni,
i find it amusing how you bully people around on both here and youtube. you push your values and opinions onto everyone else..who made you CEO of this project.
I appreciate and admire the replication efforts....well done. The truth is a simple video of the original running a little longer may help because at this stage I can see no evidence.  How many times have we seen video's of working devices that come of nothing or even worse faked?.
Until someone is able to replicate it or the original creator comes back with some more evidence all your bullying wont help. Take a happy pill and stop bullying people around.
Mark

NerzhDishual

Hi fast builders!

OK. At least 3 replications that do not work.
Anyway, mine is slowly going on. I have all the stuff now (even the screws  :)).

May I attract your attention on the Xpenzif's screws disposition.
(This is my interpretation).



And also on the fact that the rotor seems not to be 'horizontal':


Best

Nolite mittere margaritas ante porcos.

Bruce_TPU

Good job NerzhDishual,

Not only is it not horizontal, but it is off centered from the base.  This appears to have been purposely built "out of balance".  This would also fit Tseungs "lead out" theory, and explain why it actually works.

What appears to be "easy" to replicate may indeed have more to it than what "immediatly" met the eye! ;)

Those replicating should do so in a way that would allow them to test it off centered and slightly raised.  Something that "minor" could be the difference between success and failure.

Also, all replication attempts should be as accurate as possible in every detail.  One replicator did not even file his screw heads, I noticed, and he declared that it "did not work".  Every detail should be measured and figured as NerzhDishual has started.  Figure out the offset degree.  Figure out the horizontal varience as closely as possible, and then replicate exactly.  I too have "other" commitment in TPU land, but that is my advice to all.

Even the magnets appear to be "slightly" elevated higher than each screw row, also.  Another huge factor, which needs to be measured.

Cheers,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

CLaNZeR

Let me post this from another one of the guys from the Darkside.
I have followed the comments below while watching the video and it makes a lot of sense to me.

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(BR)

I think I have this one sorted.

I was impressed the first time I saw it, it seems to go around for several revolutions, and possibly even accelerate.

BUT

then I noticed the writing (or some marks) inside the white cylinder, and watched that as a reference position.

There are two sticky spots. The worst sticky spot seems to be when the writing on the inside of the rotor is to the left of the picture - this represents 'bottom of the hill', so when the writing is not visible to the left, then the rotor is in an 'uphill' position. There is another weaker 'downhill' sticky spot position where the writing is towards the front of the camera view, but you can't see the writing in that position. Having several sticky spots is expected, as trying to get all those screws perfectly aligned is next to impossible, and one screw out of place will create a sticky spot.

It is easy to get the rotor to go downhill, even approaching with the stator will turn the rotor to the downhill position.

At about 1:00 mins in to the film the rotor looks like it starts to move. But this is simply going in to the 'front' downhill position. Then he gives it a flick with his finger, and the rotor goes past the worst sticky spot. As he has pushed it over the top of the hill, it can go downhill for another revolution and look like it is accelerating. At two revolutions it is visibly slowing down. On the third revolution he moves the stator away a tiny bit, and notice the writing is to the left - this is the downhill position and by moving the stator away a little bit he has just made the following uphill section less! The rotor makes it over the top of the hill one more time, and accelerates downhill again. Again when it gets to the bottom, he moves the stator away which removes the following uphill section completely, and then the rotor slows to a stop.

At 1:40, he pushes the rotor past the sticky spot again, and it goes around exactly one revolution before stopping at the sticky spot again.

So I am happy that this video does not show OU.

If he produces another video, then wake me up again, but his comment 'If you want to buy one: I have sold all of my unneeded devices, please wait until my website opens then you can get one.' really gets my BS alert going!

Do not buy one!!!

p.s. no bad jokes about multiple sticky spots either, please!

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Cheers

Sean
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klicUK

Quote from: btentzer on October 20, 2007, 05:57:25 PM
Good job NerzhDishual,

Not only is it not horizontal, but it is off centered from the base.  This appears to have been purposely built "out of balance".  This would also fit Tseungs "lead out" theory, and explain why it actually works.

What appears to be "easy" to replicate may indeed have more to it than what "immediatly" met the eye! ;)

Those replicating should do so in a way that would allow them to test it off centered and slightly raised.  Something that "minor" could be the difference between success and failure.

Also, all replication attempts should be as accurate as possible in every detail.  One replicator did not even file his screw heads, I noticed, and he declared that it "did not work".  Every detail should be measured and figured as NerzhDishual has started.  Figure out the offset degree.  Figure out the horizontal varience as closely as possible, and then replicate exactly.  I too have "other" commitment in TPU land, but that is my advice to all.

Even the magnets appear to be "slightly" elevated higher than each screw row, also.  Another huge factor, which needs to be measured.

Cheers,
Bruce

I am on my second build and have studied the original in much greater detail. Hopefully this will be much closer to the original design. However, I think it is a mistake to assume that xpenzif's build was a precision engineered project. Take a look at the still from the video, and you can see just how different the alignment of the heads are on the top and bottom rows, yet still the device works (or is claimed to).
My original post on YouTube was to Omnibus101, and I do say in the vid that it was a hasty build. ill post results from second build soon - and I guarantee it isn't exact, because no one knows the exact specifications, but from what I've seen so far, the breaking effect is all that I expect to see. I don't see how there is enough force from any other magnets to move a screw that is directly under a stator magnet. This is why the device breaks, and my preliminary results with ground screws, correctly spaced are still showing this. All good fun