Are there any running magnet motors?

[NerzhDishual]

Hi guys,

@NobleWolf: thanks for the links.

Just my 2 cents.
"Official" Science says that Magnetism (as Gravity) is a conservative force.
So, you can get nothing from these 'forces' (Bessler or Perendev (for example)).
This is impossible. Period. Move on .Nothing to see.

Others scientists(?) say: OK, you sometimes can get something with magnets but they will soon get depleted and all what you could obtain is the energy that was used to build these very magnets.

I'm not a scientist. I was taught that science was logical. To me, these 2 propositions are not compatible.

Is it really impossible or just irrelevant/useless?

Best

[tinu]

Imho the above propositions are compatible, as follows:

First: true magnetic motors DO NOT WORK.  I invite all ?open-minded? members to prove me wrong. (Attack my person as much as you may want but remember to post the slightest proof at the end. I base my statement on science AND on history, not just on my personal experience).

Second: if magnets weaken in time, then their field is NO LONGER CONSERVATIVE. (Imagine it like a spiral). Hence, in such cases certain motors may exhibit rotation for a short period of time, until magnets are depleted. (Actually until magnets do not significantly weaken anymore; they may be far from depleted). I am still anxious to see a working magnetic motor falling into this category; they may theoretically exist and although of no practical significance whatsoever, their engineering would be a challenge in itself. And an open gate to LEGEND and FRAUD?

Third: if not first and second above, something else is involved, including (but not necessarily) a FAKE. Often, thermal and other effects are not considered.

So, my reply: impossible or just irrelevant/useless, what?s the difference?!

Move on .Nothing to see.

Yup, that would be the healthiest choice.

Actually, experimenting is fun. Keep experiments going on but have the above in mind once in a while (like at every 100 spent bucks or 100 millions lost neurons, whichever happens first or hurts more. )

Now hit me hard, my friends.
Tinu

[hansvonlieven]

Just a little reminder to Gaby

They are so proud of all the discoveries they claim make up physics. But those discoveries where never made by human sponges. The discoveries where all made by thinking, resourceful, adventurous people. All we have to do is compare Tesla's patents to those of Einstein and we all know enough.

Tesla WAS an academic, just like Einstein.

Tesla completed his elementary education in Croatia. He continued his schooling in the Polytechnic School in Graz and finished at University of Prague. He worked as an electrical engineer in Germany, Hungary and France before emigrating to the United States in 1884.

He could also build things whereas Einstein couldn't. Before you bag all engineers and scientists make sure of your facts.

Hans von Lieven

[Honk]

Others scientists(?) say: OK, you sometimes can get something with magnets but they will soon get depleted and all what you could obtain is the energy that was used to build these very magnets.

I have searched all over the web for a scientific statement explaning why the magnets will get depleted in a so called magnet motor but I
haven't found any statements of this matter, so far. Can you please provide a link for me to read of the magnets getting depleted matter?
Until I read a real scientific explanation I continue to believe that the depletion is just another magnet myth created at forums like this.

[tinu]

I have searched all over the web for a scientific statement explaning why the magnets will get depleted in a so called magnet motor but I
haven't found any statements of this matter, so far. Can you please provide a link for me to read of the magnets getting depleted matter?
Until I read a real scientific explanation I continue to believe that the depletion is just another magnet myth created at forums like this.

aaa? hysteresis curve?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis

Check also magnetic domains, Curie temperature and phase transitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism

Combine them?