Overunity is impossible! (and why you shouldn't care)

[Willy]

willy's partial quote "A ram pump is not an Overunity  device."

To smoky2

In and of itself, no.
However many ram pump systems are currently in use that could be considered OU
Wherein: The system as a whole completes repetitive cycles with no additional energy input
Thereby extending the mileage of the fuel (initial priming energy) into infinity.

1. To be clear here in, this is what  a "ram pump" is.
                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram

2.  As long as the up hill water supply lasts / rain fall upstream sufficiently re supplies the
water source, a ram pump may continue to function.

3. This may be free energy, but its not over unity because energy is expended,
(albeit by nature), to put the water up hill.

4. The very same is true of a common water wheel system.

EDIT / P.S.

To Smoky2

Did you bother to read the post by Vinyasi which I was responding to ?
      It seems not.
Because both he and I, were / are in agreement that over unity interactions exixt.


EDIT / P.S. #2

primarily  here @

https://overunity.com/3574/overunity-is-impossible-and-why-you-shouldnt-care/msg577971/#msg577971

and by extension here @

https://overunity.com/16983/why-over-unity-is-possible/msg577970/#msg577970

and here @

https://overunity.com/15140/overunity-does-not-exist/msg577969/#msg577969

[Nwakuche]

Matter and energy is both local and nonlocal. Solar panel are overunity and so are wind turbines. However, these sources of energy are local and finite in scope.

I think the purpose of this FORUM is to identify source sof energy that can't be controlled by any instituted authority and methods of easily tapping into these sources of energy.

[Nwakuche]

Energy being an attributes of matter in motion has a non local component that ties it with other sources of energy. There is a type of motion that is constant to all matter containing energy and these type of motion is the spiral motion. I have given you the secret of tapping nonlocally to all sources of energy in the cosmos.

[Nwakuche]

I will post technical details of my free energy plan once it is ready but I think the free energy prize is low. A minimum of $250,000 is okay.

[lancaIV]

Matter and energy is both local and nonlocal. Solar panel are overunity and so are wind turbines. However, these sources of energy are local and finite in scope.

I think the purpose of this FORUM is to identify source sof energy that can't be controlled by any instituted authority and methods of easily tapping into these sources of energy.

We can have ' overunity concepts = work input/output C.O.P. ≥ 1 ,as static generator or rotational " ,but as You ,Nwakuche,write

45% conversion efficiency photo-thermo-voltaic panel and solar/photon-phonon concentrating film/foil we will reach ,by given public claim,

Solar radiation area ,below a solar Atlas : with 1500 KWh per sqm/year 

https://globalsolaratlas.info/map

only photo-thermo-voltaic work result :

45% conversion efficiency  1500 KWh x 0,45 = 675 KWh electric gain per sqm/year
this dividing to spring-summer conversion gain 1/2 year  period = 450 KWh electricity gain
and                     autum-winter    conversion gain  1/2 year period = 225 KWh electricity gain

during autum-winter period applying the concentrating film/foil with Hyperstealth CPV factor 3x :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1QZAax0-XA
225 KWh x 3 = 675 KWh total electricity conversion in this period

and we can reach ,actually theoretical - cause no mass production and comercial selling,

1/2 year without concentrator film 450 KWh + 1/2 year with concentrator film 675 KWh

radiation flux to electricity conversion result  =  per year 1125 KWh per sqm  photo-thermo-voltaic panel size

~ 1125 KWh /365,25 days ~ 3 KWh electricity per day

sufficient for mostly  private households global !

45% efficiency photon-thermo-conversion panels are public documented ,
as MEMS-TAR and tandem cell= double or more layer arrangement

CPV factor 3x ,compared CPV Mylar mirror foil factor 1,5 ,foil/film

https://www.google.com/search?q=hyperstealth+solar+film&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1QZAax0-XA
Per year gain to daily average :

1 sqm solar plant ~ 3 KWh per day

2 sqm solar plant ~ 6 KWh per day

3,4,.... sqm

How cheap/easy this production to store ? Granit/water/molten salt -battery !? Flywheel ?

Can this,both : p-t-v converter and concentrator film ,becoming the 24/365 permanent working electricity conversion base principle ,by artificial lightning ? Probably !

With 24/365 permanent working artificial wind chamber with 1 KWh net output PER HOUR ?

24 KWh  +3 KWh natural/24 KWh artificial ' solar' electricity generation per day :

                 27 KWh ( 24 + 3 ) ,up to 48 KWh ( 24 + 24 ) per day

                27 KWh x 365 = 9855 KWh yearly result

                48 KWh x 365 = 17520 KWh yearly result

               not enough for 99% ,nearly 100%, private household daily  electricity consumption demand !?
                 Global ?! What shows the e-provider monthly( per day)  bill,in KWh ?
https://yearbook.enerdata.net/electricity/electricity-domestic-consumption-data.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption         per capita !




    Nearly 3 KWh or below, average electricity consumption per day examples,per household  :

Intelligence Academy thinking  ' real world' result,1975 :

https://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm
https://www.oeko-energie.de/     intelligent household daily consumption !
https://mtbest.net/tips-for-your-home/  down- under 0,8 KWh electricity apply per day




Portable,location flexible changing,devices ! No expensive installation service !
On tect,on ground, sub-surface ( cave ),land/sea/air  !


Working for over-consumption extinction !
E.U. program ,3rd step : 100%  in situ generation = public net grid extinction ! Full autonomy !

Program evolution :

1rd step : nearly zero net-grid delivery

2nd step : net(-to) ( consumption/generation) zero ,consumption/generation balance result



All actually sold electric cars we can see alternatively as ' domestic electricity storage'- on 3/4 wheels !

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OCWL

p.s.: probably one thinks : 45% efficiency !? Probably standart 2045 or later !
               http://www.redrok.com/main.htm

        Actually 20% efficiency photo/n cells ( without thermic spectrum ) are comercial common ,     
      with ' best off ' 25% efficiency offer !

As solar output ,in DC ( photon-thermic cells output in AC ) the coupling with magnetic force amplifier gives a similar energetical  result ,20 - 25% conversion output doubling,amplifier output  20% x C.O.P.  2 -  25% x C.O.P. 2  :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Keiichiro+Asaoka&CPC=&IC=
Point 29.,30.,31

C.O.P. 2x : overrated  ?
Reference : Kawai magnetic C.O.P.  assembley ,Hitachi Lab confirmation
                     Flynn brothers magnetic actuator conversion actuator C.O.P.

https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003102164&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en
Even if the induction coil is satisfied, based on the results of long-term experiments to date, it is determined that the current limit for the output power ratio to the input power is about 1.8 to 4.8 times.

https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003079128&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en
In such a case, obtaining a high effective induction effect depends on the design conditions of the power generation device 6 of the present invention, but in practical tests, the input power / It has been confirmed that the output power ratio is about 1.4 to 2.6 times.



Taking the lower given ,both concepts, numbers : ( 1,4 + 1,8 ) /2  = 1,6 as nether  C.O.P.

+ Factor 1,33 David Yurth generator coil coating ~ C.O.P. 2,13


But we take C.O.P. 2x ,as ex(s)pected minimum !

Yes,remarkable this claim,but not first experimental prototype function result target :

https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003009558&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en

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'   .......
Therefore, by designing a specific magnetic path based on the AC power source to be used, its frequency, and the desired output power,
it is possible to obtain an output power several to several tens of times higher than the input power,

and the present invention The device is small and easy to manufacture, so it can be realized at an extremely low cost.Also, when generating electricity, there is no danger of disturbing the environment such as the generation of vibrations, noise, or waste gas emissions, which makes it possible to save energy and power. This is a power generation method and power generation device that greatly contributes to the...."


Solar cell DC ( with/-out concentrating mirror film/foil ) to inverter AC to Asaoka static generator



So nobody needs to wait decades long for solution !
Em radiation converter + concentrating radiation foil/film + em force amplifier ,2023 standart

1500 KWh radiation area and 20% efficiency solar/photon cell and comercial available CPV Mylar foil and magnetic force amplifier  energetic output calculation :

1500 KWh x 0,2 = 300 KWh

spring-summer 200 KWh output
autum-winter 100 KWh output x CPV Mylar foil/film apply amplifying factor 1,5  effect = 150 KWh

all seasons c-pv-modul output 350 KWh amplified by em static generator/magnetic force amplifier with C.O.P. 2x = 700 KWh per year and pv-modul sqm area ,     
!
1,9 KWh per day

Because pv-modules are mostly sold in 1,8 sqm size ~ 1,9 KWh x 1,8 =

3,42 KWh average per day

Periodische Permanenz - Permanente Periodik !

Satis facere !?
If not,in autum and winter the wind flow movement is higher than in warm weather seasons,here as solution :

Ed(ward) Thorpe 'Concentrated Wind Turbine' with DC generator,coupling with inverter and Asaoka static generator

https://patents.justia.com/patent/8283799
With improved 400W generator and coupled with Asaoka C.O.P. 2x device : 4000 - 5000 KWh ,per year e-gain
2000 KWh as cube law effect application ,taking his given numbers :

https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9374
1,6-1,8 x the rotative generator average output improvement potential compared conventional type

+ 1,33 factor David Yurth generator coil coating option !


Keiichiro Asaoka his static generator concepts,compact/split,with SPECIFIC primary coil :

A. https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/054832967/publication/WO2015189722A1?q=pn%3DWO2015189722A1
B. https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100114&CC=WO&NR=2010003394A2&KC=A2#

Open End

And clearly,C.O.P. 2x in an electro-magnetic circuit is enough for permanent input source recharging and surplus electricity delivery ,vulgo ' closed cycle'-process