Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.

[hoptoad]

...........NOTE:  I am heading for bed as charging slows to a trickle as
resistance build.  I will leave it to run all night and post
what it is reading in the morning. ..........Good night! Holiday Cheers, Bruce                                                                 

Along with Plengo and abbasign, you have some very interesting Supply Voltage figures there......Can't wait till you post your next lot of results.
Keep up the good work all of you, you've posted some very interesting developments in this thread! 
Cheers and KneeDeep from the Toad who Hops.

[Chad]

9:27 CST          6.34 volts          11:07        6.93 volts          

9:37 CST          6.47 volts          11:17        6.95 volts

9:47 CST          6.58 volts              NOTE:  I am running 5 LED's.  The first three are in parallel,
                                                               the second two are in series.  Also, as the charging slows
9:57 CST          6.66 volts                          I am more and more encouraged, because as the battery
                                                               charges, its resistance increases, so it may take the rest
10:07 CST        6.71 volts                          of the night to charge to its full capacity.  We will see! 

10:17 CST        6.76 volts          11:27        6.97 volts

10:27 CST        6.81 volts          11:37        6.99 volts

10:37 CST        6.85 volts          11:47        7.00 volts    

10:47 CST        6.88 volts               NOTE:  I am heading for bed as charging slows to a trickle as
                                                                resistance build.  I will leave it to run all night and post
10:57 CST        6.91 volts                           what it is reading in the morning. 
                                                                 
                                                                 When the battery is fully charged, I will place it again on 
                                                                 a resistor and drain it and do it again.
                                                                 Also, I have been using the 250uf cap for tonight.  A
                                                                 future experiment would be to use the 1000uf cap and
                                                                 see if that changes the speed of the charging effect.

Good night!

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
                                                                 

great work guys!.

@btentzer

Why dont you deplete two identical batterys and only hook one to the circuit, you can compare the two batterys
periodicly to see if its not just the batterys recovering as they can do.

just a thought.

chad.

[Bruce_TPU]

I'm not sleeping well tonight...

1am          7.08 volts

2:30          7.12 volts

4:14          7.14 volts  (Here I decide to remove silver wire loop over trigger, reducing the draw on the               
                                 circuit)
4:17          7.17 volts

4:34          7:18 volts     (After I drain the battery again, my next test will be without the silver wire.)

EDIT 1:
9:54          7.23 volts

[plengo]

@btentzer
great question. I have pondering over it for a little while too. My approach to "know" that is quiet simple: if the battery is just adjusting itself to a certain voltage because of its internal workings It should always return to a specific point and always deplete itself as we use it. So let's say, I use it for 2 days running LEDs no special circuits. It will draw its power out and after 2 days I have, lets says, 2 volts less. I let it sit for a day and it comes back 1 volt, BUT it will stop there.

So after 2 days I lost 1 volt. So the battery will deplete somehow and should not return if given enough time for it to settle.

Now, let use this battery with a higher load, one that really pushes the baby. It will draw more energy and, lets say, it will lose 3 volts now. I let it sit again for awhile and its voltage comes back 1 volt. If I do that long enough and repeated enough that battery will drop considerably. I notice though that the battery usually stays at 3.5v evey if you deplete it with a short for days. But that 3.5v is of not good when put on a load anylonger, so you can consider it "dead".

Now here is my real test: deplete the battery, let it sit for a day, voltage should stabilize at a certain level. Put on the device with the load. Voltage should drop and slowly should run down until LEDs are no longer on. Now on my device it is NOT going down and actually it is going up, slowly but surely with the LEDs lit. My last voltage reading was at 8.04volts and It was started with 7.15v (in this one test).

It is inconceivable that this battery would go up during usage. I would accept a little fluctuation but not after days (tens of hours). I also replicated the prototype that I have and I am testing with other 4 batteries and the results are very similiar.

So I must conclude a few possibilities (please jump in to help me here):

• 1 - battery is very strong and it is only running as it is designed and eventualy it will run dow for good and die. The question is how long it will take (the packaging of the battery says it will provide 150ma hours).
• 2 - battery in usage produces an unexpected reaction in its working which produce an extra energy but again it will run down and die. Almost the same as 1 the only difference is the curve of discharge that seams to be flat but at a certain point will have an avalanche decline and suddenly die.
• 3 - the circuit is producing a "deceiving" signal that make the battery believe it is not being discharged which causes its inner workings to lose at an atomic level (which can be a huge amout of energy - EMC2?) (aka Bedini/Bearden theories about heavy ions and flushing electrons in the battery)
• 4 - the current getting out of the battery is in effect going back in again restoring itself up and not losing anything (kind of what the 4 N. Tesla Switch experiment is all about), but that should still loose something after days of usage. Question is again as point 1, how long it will take.
• 5 - the frequency of the transistors are in fact causing a space/time fluctuation which extract enery from the ether and recharges the battery (aka Tom Bearden theories - Pointing and Heavyside EM potential)
• 6 - there is some energy coming from outside entering at the coils or even the capacitance of the board or even the wire. I am testing against that one using one of my circuits running inside a Faraday's cage (and it is also working good)
• 7 - the frequency is causing the point 4 but in such an efficient manner that the battery will simply run for a long, long, long time if it is under an specific matching impedance/load/current, but still acting as point 1. If this is true, it is still great. The question is: how much can I use for my load and for how long.

I am in favor of point 7 and 4. That's why I am letting this thing run for days to see if anything is changing in a way that I can see it running down, but again, the experiments are confusing me even more.

What I want to do now is really replicate my first original prototype but not using my Bedini SSG coil (it is too big, about 315ft of 23awg and 18awg wires). I also would like to have a more scientific approach to setting the resistors for the transistors base so that it will always run with any setup without the need to "play with it".

Fausto.

[Bruce_TPU]

@ Plengo

A very well thought out post.  Very refreshing.

I opt for your number 4.  We simply need to prove that is what is happening, beyond reasonable doubt.

I changed the frequency on my circuit in the middle of the night, and it still charges the battery.  Right now about 0.01 mv an hour.

10:53          7.24 volts

@ All
Remember that the battery is in the oscillator circuit powering it since early yesterday evening.  And up to 7.14 volts of charge, I had placed additional load on the circuit, by use of the silver wire one turn, over the trigger.

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce