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Understanding Radiant Energy & Tesla

Started by quantum1024, December 01, 2007, 03:29:23 AM

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Grumpy

Consulting my "A Dictionary of Electrical Terms, Words, and Phrases, 1897, Edwin J. Houston:

Back Electromotive Force - see Force, Electromotive, Back - term used for "counter electromotive force"

Counter Electromotive Force - an opposed or reverse electromotive force which tends to cause a current in the opposite direction to that caused by the source.

Hmm - sounds like Lenz's Law rather the collapse of a field.

By the way, choking coils were called "kicking coils" back in  1897 - because the self induction opposes the starting or stopping of current like an opposing kick.

Grown-ups?  Teenagers?  Hell, I'm just a smart-assed little brat!  LOL!

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z_p_e

@ Grumpy...the point being? I think you've just echoed pretty much what I mentioned above.

@ Erfinder, thanks for the patent numbers.

Grumpy

Quote from: z_p_e on December 01, 2007, 11:21:18 PM
@ Grumpy...the point being? I think you've just echoed pretty much what I mentioned above.

@ Erfinder, thanks for the patent numbers.

The point is that you are using the term "BEMF" incorrectly to describe the release of energy from an inductor when it actually means current induced in accordance with Lenz's Law.

It doesn't matter. 

You can store potential energy in an inductor or a capacitor.  What matters is what you release it into - the parameters of the circuit that is.  Stienmetz pointed this fact out after a thorough review of Tesla's work, in which he could find no errors in Tesla's logic.  (I do not know of anyone who has proven the Stienmetz was correct about using inductors.)

It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

z_p_e

Quote from: Grumpy on December 02, 2007, 12:26:29 AM
The point is that you are using the term "BEMF" incorrectly to describe the release of energy from an inductor when it actually means current induced in accordance with Lenz's Law.

Good grief mate, check again what I actually said in my post above:

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First, the spikes seen from collapsing inductors is not bemf, it is simply an inductive kickback. BEMF is the result of the Lenz effect.

???

Grumpy

Quote from: z_p_e on December 02, 2007, 12:55:54 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on December 02, 2007, 12:26:29 AM
The point is that you are using the term "BEMF" incorrectly to describe the release of energy from an inductor when it actually means current induced in accordance with Lenz's Law.

Good grief mate, check again what I actually said in my post above:

Quote
First, the spikes seen from collapsing inductors is not bemf, it is simply an inductive kickback. BEMF is the result of the Lenz effect.

???

You are correct, and I am all screwed up!.  Guess I can't read sometimes.

Sorry 'bout that.

To get back on track with the discussion:

You can use capacitor or inductor discharge to achieve the effects in question.  This per Steinmetz.
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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