Muller Dynamo

[redrichie]

I have been quietly following this thread, doing more listening than talking (for once). I have a 5 magnet rotor in progress that I just finished turning recently.  It is for testing a couple ideas then I will jump in bigger.  pic attached.

   But my reason for this post is ask a few things.  So Romero said that most of us were on the wrong track and if we wanted to make a very efficient dynamo we were doing a good job.  So we have to think outside the box.  Well if you were just to look at the device and draw a schemo then that is still all we have.  a dynamo.  Which it is. 
   Does anyone know why the " rear " driver circuit has 3 wires at its input area as compared to the "front driver" that only has 2.  As does the Schemo (2 wires input) that Romero posted.  And one of the wires is either coming from or going to one of the input legs of a FWBR.  LOok at video "muller type generator with extra magnets"  about 6:13 we get a good look at it. at about 6:19 we get a look at both of em in contrast.   at 54 seconds we get a look at the rear of the rear driver and there is def 3 wires "in".  Any ideas? 
   Also as Nul's has pointed out.  This drivers trigger from the hall is after the magnet passes TDC of the coil by a good amount.  any ideas?  I have looked and looked and watched again.  If it is a drive circuit then it doesnt seem to fire in what I think would be ideal position for drive.  In repulsion to the magnet for stronger drive the magnet would have to be closer to the coil.  In attraction, the NEXT incoming magnet is too far away for this pulse to be effective.  Correct me if im wrong.  Or could it be a very quick pulse to help it get past the attractive force of the magnet to the core?
   And can anyone make out what is inside the hole on top of the core for the rear drive coil?  it may be a small magnet, but that only makes a little sense to me.  When all the other magnets are quite large this would not make sense to be so small.
  My out of box thinking is that this is my a coil shorting at the peak/driver circuit hybrid.  Is this even possible to determine from looking at vids/pictures?

[scratchrobot]

Especially because Romero HIMSELF (!!!) stated that the Kromrey Converter IS
the same device/principle but even simpler here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg284711#msg284711

and here he sais that he succesfully experimentally confirmed the Kromrey functionality and that he sees his own device as an advancement over that:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg284736#msg284736

For some reason, this is not given any attention by the folks that seek to explain the principle with purely lenz-related ideas ...

Interesting so the scope shows the same W effect as with kromrey converter, that must be responsible for the acceleration under load effect! So then the extra magnets on top of the coils are there for two reasons.

@Woopy, I belief Romerouk was talking about the 2 small caps but said that they were not important, thanks for the drawing, that makes everything much clearer and good luck with experiments.

Regards,
scratchrobot

[caccr2000]

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[nul-points]

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   Does anyone know why the " rear " driver circuit has 3 wires at its input area as compared to the "front driver" that only has 2.  As does the Schemo (2 wires input) that Romero posted.  And one of the wires is either coming from or going to one of the input legs of a FWBR.  LOok at video "muller type generator with extra magnets"  about 6:13 we get a good look at it. at about 6:19 we get a look at both of em in contrast.   at 54 seconds we get a look at the rear of the rear driver and there is def 3 wires "in".  Any ideas? 
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   And can anyone make out what is inside the hole on top of the core for the rear drive coil?  it may be a small magnet, but that only makes a little sense to me.  When all the other magnets are quite large this would not make sense to be so small.
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hi redrichie

iirc Romero mentioned that before using the DC converter to stabilise the motor drive when looped, he tried connecting the FWBR o/p (which possibly had smaller buffer cap in parallel, also) via a diode back to the i/p (ie. the motor drive supply, where each board has a yellow 100 or 200uF electrolytic across its 12V supply)

i believe he may have mentioned that the diode was located on one of the drive boards

this would make for an extra connection wiring connection to just one of the drive boards


as for the thing in the top of the drive coil hole, i think we're looking at the top of the core

the drive coils didn't have washers & mags on top, and Romero *may* have drilled that core position right thro' - possibly to get more vertical adjustment on his drive coil cores

(i think he glued his coil spool-ends to the inside of each stator plate, so the core wouldn't necessarily have to be glued into place, at least whilst tuning)


hope this helps
np


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[nul-points]

Hi all,
[...]
I`ve finished all the wiring and got all them 9 pairs with thier own FWBR done.
[...]
It looks like a generator with dread locks...kinda messy looking wiring but its all oke.
[...]
VZ2DAY

blimey, free - you won't be just selling electricity back to the Grid...

...you're going to BE the Grid! 

nice to see some more wood around, too - impressive build!