Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[PolyMatrix]

I don't think we should dismiss @Esa Maunu's ideas on this completely, if testers are willing to experiment at a later stage. (Lets not get ahead of the scientific method! As proof is repeatable results)

However it occurred to me and maybe some others, as I am catching up with posts just now, that the balls in the sink science mentioned earlier could be used to analyse the system. Eg a big plastic circular tray with steel balls covered with clingfilm placed over the OC-MPMM or a test bed device with variable speed motors on the two spindles could give a possible insight into the interactions, of the magnets. The 'tray' does not have to be attached to the OC-MPMM thus hopefully avoiding additional moment of Inertia but suspect that if the steel balls are too big will cause significant magnetic drag. So start with one ball and add another so the pattern emerges rather than slam in a handful and hope.

[PolyMatrix]

@canam101

Can you tell me the tolerance needed to reproduce what was seen? Plus or minus what weight, plus or minus what in magnetic strengths are needed to be sure that what was recorded is fake? If you cannot be precise about that then we are happy to assume for the moment that it was genuine.

Babbage had an idea for a mechanical difference engine, the science museum (England) completed the build and found it to work. However the tolerance for making gears in Babbage's time was too far out for Babbage to complete the machine.

So we may be looking at a one off or temporary (serendipitous) moment when everything was just right and the coefficient of friction may have changed just enough to stop it working. It is difficult to cope mentally when you have a dream and find that the dream does not work as expected. So I am prepared to accept the behaviour of @Alsetalokin as quite normal.

We are also extremely lucky in that it was recorded before experimental error or environmental factors got in the way of a working effect.

So my question for you is how qualified in all aspects concerning experimental discovery are you to make such judgements? 

[Omnibus]

@canam101

Can you tell me the tolerance needed to reproduce what was seen? Plus or minus what weight, plus or minus what in magnetic strengths are needed to be sure that what was recorded is fake? If you cannot be precise about that then we are happy to assume for the moment that it was genuine.

Babbage had an idea for a mechanical difference engine, the science museum (England) completed the build and found it to work. However the tolerance for making gears in Babbage's time was too far out for Babbage to complete the machine.

So we may be looking at a one off or temporary (serendipitous) moment when everything was just right and the coefficient of friction may have changed just enough to stop it working. It is difficult to cope mentally when you have a dream and find that the dream does not work as expected. So I am prepared to accept the behaviour of @Alsetalokin as quite normal.

We are also extremely lucky in that it was recorded before experimental error or environmental factors got in the way of a working effect.

So my question for you is how qualified in all aspects concerning experimental discovery are you to make such judgements? 

Right on.

[Omnibus]

I don't think we should dismiss @Esa Maunu's ideas on this completely, if testers are willing to experiment at a later stage. (Lets not get ahead of the scientific method! As proof is repeatable results)

However it occurred to me and maybe some others, as I am catching up with posts just now, that the balls in the sink science mentioned earlier could be used to analyse the system. Eg a big plastic circular tray with steel balls covered with clingfilm placed over the OC-MPMM or a test bed device with variable speed motors on the two spindles could give a possible insight into the interactions, of the magnets. The 'tray' does not have to be attached to the OC-MPMM thus hopefully avoiding additional moment of Inertia but suspect that if the steel balls are too big will cause significant magnetic drag. So start with one ball and add another so the pattern emerges rather than slam in a handful and hope.

I will dismiss this out of hand for reasons to long to explain here. Besides this isn't the thread for such discussions. Let's continue with our replication efforts.

[canam101]

I admit I can barely run a toaster, but something seems wrong with this:

Al supposedly found this by playing around with a configuration derived from OC's idea. The number of stators was altered by him on a guess, apparently, and the exact distances from the rotor magnets to the stator magnets were also gotten by the "let's give it a try" method. Same for the strengths of the rotor and stator magnets. It was all playing around, all guesswork.

If that's how he ended up getting the amazing accelerations that we saw in his video, it seems unlikely that the tolerances of his device were so close that deviating from them by a millimeter would keep the thing from working. It's much more likely, it seems to me, that there is a fairly generous range of magnet strengths and positions which would yield at least a little of what Al saw.

Yet, after a week or more of tries, done with some very close, from the look of them, reproductions of his setup, nobody has seen anything.

If the failure is to be explained by saying that everything has to be within one millimeter of some position and one gauss of some magnet strength to work, then Al not only spun the stator the 'wrong' way by accident, he also hit upon this precisely needed setup by accident.

It beggars the imagination, mine anyway, that it could be like that.

[edited for clarity]