Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Omnibus]

@All,

Let?s compare some notes.

My rotor weighs 303g.
That is HDPE piece + the two bearings + the eight N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets.

My stators weigh 10g each.
That is the Delrin holder + the bearing + N42  1/2" x 3/16" x ? ring magnet

Magnetic induction of the eight N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets I?ve worked with is as follows:
kgauss
S                         N
4.56                    -4.49
4.61                    -4.37
4.71                    -4.40
4.50                    -4.45
4.60                    -4.50   
4.57                    -4.48
4.58                    -4.42
4.51                    -4.42

x(av) = 4.58       x(av) = -4.44
s(n-1) = 0.0655  s(n-1) = 0.0464


Magnetic induction of the twelve virgin N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets (just arrived) is as follows:
kgauss
S                         N
4.42                     -4.48
4.57                     -4.30
4.56                     -4.37
4.56                     -4.43
4.48                     -4.28
4.62                     -4.43
4.58                     -4.51
4.66                     -4.77
4.60                     -4.57
4.58                     -4.38
4.62                     -4.47
4.61                     -4.50

x(av) = 4.57        x(av) = -4.43
s(n-1) = 0.0672   s(n-1) = 0.0864

The vertical separation of couples of N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rods placed in repulsion both SS and NN is approximately 31mm. Needs a more snug clear tube to avoid the tilting, although quite small, of the magnet couple, to improve accuracy of measurement.

One thing that seems evident is that there is no measurable degradation of the used neo magnets compared to the virgin ones. In both sets studied, however, there?s a difference in the absolute value of the average magnetic induction measured for the S compared to the N pole for the same precision (standard deviation), that precision slightly varying for the N pole. Someone curious may do some further tests such as student t-test to see how significant that is but that doesn?t seem to be necessary.

[Omnibus]

As seen, my rotor being 303g is heavier than @alsetalokin's 258g rotor. Don't remember if that 258g was with the eight magnets and the two bearings or not. Also, I don't remember seeing how heavy each one of @alsetalokin's stators is. As I said, each one of my stators (Delrin holde + bearing + ring magnet) weighs 10g. This is one thing we have to work with to make it as close to @alsetalokin's as possible.

My next step, being stuck for the time being with the weight of the rotor I have, will be to try different stator bearing-ring magnet combinations which is a study @alsetalokin considers important because he says in his experience not all such combinations work. Not clear, however, what he understands by "work"--does it mean AGW can be achieved with any combination but the acceleration doesn't kick in with just any combination?

[paulshroom]

This might have significant in relation to the pupations of the device as the appears in all fundamental down to the tiniest particle
http://www.halexandria.org/dward116.htm

I don't have an argument with that... all that I'm saying is that it can be explored in it's own thread, right here on this site... My understanding is that THIS thread is focused on the mechanics and subtleties of replication of the OCAL device.. all theories have their place and I am not discounting yours, but replication still comes down to shaping physical materials into a precise copy of the original device... we are not trying to re invent it... just replicate it... If you are proposing a way to refine details and materials in a way that helps us come closer to replication the original then please post those specifics here... again I am not trying to discourage you nor your efforts in any way... simply suggestion that it takes us of the track to physical replication of the original OCAL device.

Yes thats a good idea, maybe this could help someone to propose  a way to refine the details and materials in a way that helps us come closer to the replication of the original.

[vipond50]

@All,

Let?s compare some notes.

My rotor weighs 303g.
That is HDPE piece + the two bearings + the eight N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets.

My stators weigh 10g each.
That is the Delrin holder + the bearing + N42  1/2" x 3/16" x ? ring magnet

Magnetic induction of the eight N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets I?ve worked with is as follows:
kgauss
S                         N
4.56                    -4.49
4.61                    -4.37
4.71                    -4.40
4.50                    -4.45
4.60                    -4.50   
4.57                    -4.48
4.58                    -4.42
4.51                    -4.42

x(av) = 4.58       x(av) = -4.44
s(n-1) = 0.0655  s(n-1) = 0.0464


Magnetic induction of the twelve virgin N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rod magnets (just arrived) is as follows:
kgauss
S                         N
4.42                     -4.48
4.57                     -4.30
4.56                     -4.37
4.56                     -4.43
4.48                     -4.28
4.62                     -4.43
4.58                     -4.51
4.66                     -4.77
4.60                     -4.57
4.58                     -4.38
4.62                     -4.47
4.61                     -4.50

x(av) = 4.57        x(av) = -4.43
s(n-1) = 0.0672   s(n-1) = 0.0864

The vertical separation of couples of N42 1/4"OD x 1/2" rods placed in repulsion both SS and NN is approximately 31mm. Needs a more snug clear tube to avoid the tilting, although quite small, of the magnet couple, to improve accuracy of measurement.

One thing that seems evident is that there is no measurable degradation of the used neo magnets compared to the virgin ones. In both sets studied, however, there?s a difference in the absolute value of the average magnetic induction measured for the S compared to the N pole for the same precision (standard deviation), that precision slightly varying for the N pole. Someone curious may do some further tests such as student t-test to see how significant that is but that doesn?t seem to be necessary.

Omni
Thank u for taking the time to look at this and posting your results. Just goes to show that no one Neo is the same and consequently every replicators magnets will be different so the responce of there device will be also different. Hmmm may look into certified magnets (Cost and availability). It truly would be informative to have this type of data of Al's device.
Q. What is the manufacture of your Gauss meter? I may look into purchasing one if available.

Thanks again for the Data
Best Regards
Bill

[Omnibus]

@Vipond50,

My gaussmeter is F.W.Bell Model 4048.

I wonder if even certified magnets will do the job. What's crucial is to know exactly what the fields in @alsetalokin's machine are. As I've said before, I bet it's not at all certain that he will reproduce what we're seeing in the video if he starts building the device from scratch, ordering the magnets and manufacturing the parts anew as we do. If I were him, I'd do exactly that--won't touch the working model and will immediately start building a replica, let alone that I'd go out of my way to help independent parties replicate it by doing all kinds of tests, not just drip feeding the enthusiasts.