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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Bruce_TPU

#565
January 12, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: Rosphere on January 12, 2008, 10:20:42 AM
@btentzer,

Hey, what are you doing over here kicking it with the magnet motor guys?  >:(

Get back and finish your TPU before it gets cold!  :D

I can't help myself Mike!  It is the "attraction" to something that might very well be history making.  (every pun intended.)

And get it right, it's, "Kicking it with the TPU guys and rotating it with the magnet guys!"  ;D ;D :D

Actually they are both about rotating magnetic fields, just different ways of doing it.  Or is it?  What makes SM's TPU work?  He doesn't know why.  What makes this work?  Hmmm......

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

CLaNZeR

#566
January 12, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 12, 2008, 09:56:28 AM
@CLaNZeR,

Thanks for the video. I see your rotor being 199g is lighter than @alsetalonkin's 258g. Could you try turning it first by hand? I wonder if these 1000rpm were imparted by hand or not? Recall, when @alsetalonkin turns it by hand the spin is at ~400rpm. As the things are going here I'll be starting these experiments on Monday, hopefully. Have the magnets already, the bearings will probably arrive today bu the parts won't be ready till Monday.

A quick video showing the difference between hand and air line.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/tests/CLaNZeRSRoto1byhandbyairline.wmv

Cheers

Sean
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CLaNZeR

#567
January 12, 2008, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: btentzer
The rotor has only reached speeds below 2K.  The faster the stator magnets spin, the slower the rotor.  Where Al ran two of the stator magnets anti-gear wise, where they both sped up over 12,000 rpm's, the rotor was 1000 rpm.  So I don't think that you need worry about lift off, just yet!  LOL

But we got to plan for the future Bruce hehe, When I pop it in me car it is not gonna go very fast at 1000RPM is it?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Craigy

#568
January 12, 2008, 11:16:49 AM
hi sean putting more wieght on the rotor makes it easier to sync as the initial braking effect is not as pronounced with 3 times more wieght . i have now put perspex disks above and below to triple the wieght ot plastic rotor and it seems to make sync easier. I am off to turn some stators holders for the magnets i have here and then maybe can do some reverse spins
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Omnibus

#569
January 12, 2008, 11:22:30 AM
@CLaNZeR,

OK, makes sense. Yours is lighter and you get it to spin by hand at over 500rpm (his is around 400rpm with about 120s wind down time). Would you by any chance have a DC motor to mount the rotor on it and measure the current and voltage necessary to have it spin at 550rpm on the one one hand and at, say, 1500rpm on the other. Let's see what the difference in power is. Then we can compare these data with calculated ones based on the moment of inertia of the rotor.
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