Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Jdo300]

Hi geodan,

I absolutely plan to build an adjustable model for further testing. I'm only sticking to the original model strictly for replication and validation reasons. The next version I make will be much more flexible to experiment with and optimize the design.

God Bless,
Jason O

Thanks Jason!,

Since I will not be in the "first wave" of replicators I think that I need to set my sights on flexibility to be able to adjust as many variables as possible... I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with...

Noncets suggests that Sean might already have drawings for his base so maybe he'll be sharing those as well?

Thanks very much guys!

geodan

Sean's setup is pretty nice, but when it gets down to the wire and you want to adjust things more precisely, loosening and tightening the stator mags and moving around won't give the best control, even though it is flexible. The design I have in mind would be very similar to what Sean has, but only I would use screw-adjustable stator mountings so that I could not only precisely move the stators (both circumferentially and radially), but I could make these adjustments while the motor is running. That way we can quickly fine tune it and see what positions work and which don't.

I don't have any 3D models of this drawn up just yet but In my mind, I picture something like a linear gear track running around the circumference of the base so that the stators can be positioned with the turn of a screw. Also, the stator magnets could be mounted onto a movable stage to allow them to be adjusted radially (also with a screw).

Once we have a good understanding of what makes this work best, I would like to try ti gear the rotor and one or more stators together to see how that may perform. But that would come much later after we have a better understanding of the latch effect.

God Bless,
Jason O

[vipond50]

Hi geodan,

I absolutely plan to build an adjustable model for further testing. I'm only sticking to the original model strictly for replication and validation reasons. The next version I make will be much more flexible to experiment with and optimize the design.

God Bless,
Jason O

Thanks Jason!,

Since I will not be in the "first wave" of replicators I think that I need to set my sights on flexibility to be able to adjust as many variables as possible... I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with...

Noncets suggests that Sean might already have drawings for his base so maybe he'll be sharing those as well?

Thanks very much guys!

geodan

Sean's setup is pretty nice, but when it gets down to the wire and you want to adjust things more precisely, loosening and tightening the stator mags and moving around won't give the best control, even though it is flexible. The design I have in mind would be very similar to what Sean has, but only I would use screw-adjustable stator mountings so that I could not only precisely move the stators (both circumferentially and radially), but I could make these adjustments while the motor is running. That way we can quickly fine tune it and see what positions work and which don't.

I don't have any 3D models of this drawn up just yet but In my mind, I picture something like a linear gear track running around the circumference of the base so that the stators can be positioned with the turn of a screw. Also, the stator magnets could be mounted onto a movable stage to allow them to be adjusted radially (also with a screw).

Once we have a good understanding of what makes this work best, I would like to try ti gear the rotor and one or more stators together to see how that may perform. But that would come much later after we have a better understanding of the latch effect.

God Bless,
Jason O

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[geodan]

Another replication from ZeroFosillFuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHy_OeS8qVE

But his stator magnet are way to big in my opinion

You know....

I really don't understand how someone can call themselves a replicator of something when they don't even follow the build instructions! It's like someone trying to replicate a car engine without having a clue how it works..... Ok, I'm not going to start ranting.....



- Jason O

Yeah, it just looks like he cobbled together a scrap heap lawn mower paying no attention to details and called it a replication, IMO the whipmag has a lot of subtle coincidental detail going for it, but this guy just threw all those good bits out the window...

[Grimer]

Another replication from ZeroFosillFuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHy_OeS8qVE

But his stator magnet are way to big in my opinion

He can't get it to work so he accuses others of cheating. 

[blue_energy]

Blue I set up a thread for all us armchair enthusiasts (I really wish I was ready to build this thing) that has a list of tests we'd like to see. Of course it's based on the theory that several replicators get this up and running. That way CLaNZer can say. I'll do endurance testing for example and everyone else can do something different and not re-invent the wheel (pun intended) every time.

Any other ideas you want to share?

JAG

Hi JAG,

I guess that if I had my druthers (which, as a bystander, I have no right to expect) I'd procede in this order:

1. Replicate the original.
2. Generate some idea of the magnitude of apparent OU that we're talking about.
3. Determine whether that energy is being generated by depleting something else.
4. If it's not - determine optimum setup parameters.

#1 will be obvious if it occurs. 

#2 could be covered a number of different ways, but my earlier suggestion would do an medium precise job at very low expense. 

#3 - the two obvious candidates are electrostatics and demagnetization.  Omnibus seems to have a handle on showing that electrostatics are not involved with his Faraday cage idea. Proving or disproving that demagnetization is involved would require something like measuring the gauss of the magnets before and after; calculating how much energy is being generated (potentially using my previous idea); and determining whether the energy produced could be accounted for in lost gauss.  Probably this would require a fairly long run, or series of runs, to determine.  And, even then, it would only give you a ballpark estimate since bearing and wind friction and etc. would account for some too.  But - if there is no apparent loss in gauss and a significant amount of energy produced, there would be a point beyond which measurement error could no longer account for the results (which is what we're all hoping for...).

Overall, I vote for quick and dirty experiments to begin with - just something to tell us if "we're" on the right track and generally where the mysteries lie.  More precise experiments can be done later if it turns out that the true answer is somewhere in the lack-o-precision slop of the originals.  We'll know generally where to look.

#4 - Somewhere, much further, down the line - and presuming that the ballpark experiments pan out - I'd like it if more precise and complicated tests were done to determine the optimum setup.  These might be something that those of us who are intensely interested, but not especially mechanically inclined (like me) can  help with.  There are lots of us here who have skills and knowledge that could be tapped.

For instance, a project to attempt to determine the optimum relationship of magnet gauss, magnet separation, and rotor diameter and mass.  Or the optimum relationship between rotor circumference and stator circumference.  Or (potentially) the optimum relationship between the circumferences of the first two stators to the third.  All of these could benefit from the generation of more particular and precise data which could be managed by a database and custom software to make use of it.