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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Yadaraf

#2330
February 08, 2008, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on February 08, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
@Yadaraf, @blue_energy and @MeggerMan,

This is a sound sample of my rig with only stator rotating gear wise. I span the rotor by hand as uniformly as I could to keep it at 259rpm (monitored by a laser tachometer). As you can imagine maintaining by hand a constant rpm isn't easy so it fluctuated between values some reaching 280rpm. Nevertheless, it may probably be interesting to see what this will look like in the frequency domain anhd if the recent discussion can explain the fundamental frequencies observed.

Omni,

Is there a chance you can try this again?  The audio is faint and I can't tell what's happening at the low frequencies (i.e. the signal-to-noise ratio is very low).

Q1:  Could you increase the volume by moving closer to the device?

Q2:  Could you provide a baseline at the end -- leave the recorder on for a few seconds and stop the spinning.

My new software allows me capture a baseline spectra and then subtract it from newly acquired spectra.  A good baseline (no spinning, no voice .. quiet as possible) would be very helpful.   ;)

The good news is that it sounds like you were able to maintain a fairly steady RPM -- even if by hand.  KUDOS.


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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Omnibus

#2331
February 08, 2008, 09:05:17 PM
@Yadaraf,

I'm away from my rig right now but I'll do it in a bit. Your time is 3 hours earlier than mine so I hope at least it won't be in the wee hours at your place. Sorry about that.

Bruce_TPU

#2332
February 08, 2008, 10:13:29 PM
Evening All,

Quick update on a few things.  I picked up a box of SHCS 4-40  x3/4" for my Stators.  Identical to Al's.
Has anyone beside myself, wonder why Al would use SHCS screws, having to grind down each head, rather than a stainless steel flat head?  Splitting hairs again, perhaps, but one has to wonder why.  Tomorrow afternoon, I grind a few screw heads down.

I also picked up some packets of #4 stainless washers.  Identical to Al's.

I could not find any 4-40 nylon screws, only larger ones.  If anyone finds some online, please post.

I also received in my ABEC 7 Rotor bearings.  I will be testing both.

And of course my rotor did not arrive today.  Perhaps tomorrow.  It should be of the exact weight and size as Al's.

Now, about the Stewart-Warner Bearings.  My bearing guy heard back from them and it turns out that they do not manufacture the bearings, they only distribute them.  The people that Mike needed to speak with were in a meeting.  (of course.)  So Mike will contact them Monday and find out the Manufacturer of the bearings that they distribute.  Then he will contact that Manufacture and order said bearings.  A lot of work, but such is life.  I want a working machine, so will replicate as exactly as possible.   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

vipond50

#2333
February 08, 2008, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on February 08, 2008, 10:13:29 PM
Evening All,

Quick update on a few things.  I picked up a box of SHCS 4-40  x3/4" for my Stators.  Identical to Al's.
Has anyone beside myself, wonder why Al would use SHCS screws, having to grind down each head, rather than a stainless steel flat head?  Splitting hairs again, perhaps, but one has to wonder why.  Tomorrow afternoon, I grind a few screw heads down.

I also picked up some packets of #4 stainless washers.  Identical to Al's.

I could not find any 4-40 nylon screws, only larger ones.  If anyone finds some online, please post.

I also received in my ABEC 7 Rotor bearings.  I will be testing both.

And of course my rotor did not arrive today.  Perhaps tomorrow.  It should be of the exact weight and size as Al's.

Now, about the Stewart-Warner Bearings.  My bearing guy heard back from them and it turns out that they do not manufacture the bearings, they only distribute them.  The people that Mike needed to speak with were in a meeting.  (of course.)  So Mike will contact them Monday and find out the Manufacturer of the bearings that they distribute.  Then he will contact that Manufacture and order said bearings.  A lot of work, but such is life.  I want a working machine, so will replicate as exactly as possible.   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce
Hi Bruce

Glad to here things are coming together for U. Now if u could check to see how magnetic your SS screws are before and after. Typically manufacture screws are heat treated included SS. With all my work with stainless i.e. 304, 304L, 308, 316 and 316L  grinding  or machining will make them more magnetic. So this being said, if Al ground or machined his 4-40 SC screw head height's they were magnetic to some degree. If a person want to reduce the magnetic effect then they will have to heat treated again. I do this by heating to a cherry red and quickly quenching them in cold water. They will take on a color of dark to black due to the oxidizing atmosphere (air). A true heat treat would be done in a controlled Atmosphere furnace.

Best Regards
Bill

Yadaraf

#2334
February 08, 2008, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on February 08, 2008, 09:05:17 PM
@Yadaraf,

I'm away from my rig right now but I'll do it in a bit. Your time is 3 hours earlier than mine so I hope at least it won't be in the wee hours at your place. Sorry about that.

Omni,

Not a problem.  I bumped up the signal on your original audio and applied a ~100 Hz high pass filter.  It  helped slightly, but I amplified a lot of "noise" as well.  Can't really tell a lot.

Attached is an analysis of your latest audio, but don't read too much into it.

RE 3 hours must put you on the East coast.   :D


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
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