Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[canam101]

Sprain should re-jigger his motor so that the magnets on the circumference become a stack of two sets of tri-force magnets. Then the rotor would whirl between them and he would have OU without the need for the electromagnet. It looks like clanzer is setting up to do that anyway.

Do you think this is what Steorn is using for its Orbo? Let's hope not, since we've seen how useless that turned out to be.

Again, it won't be able to make full turns without the aid of an additional field. To convince himself @CLaNZeR has to do what @Ice D'Bear suggested:

CLaNZeR:
    Also just posted a 3rd video as a answer to somone commenting on YouTube

    < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVEOf0q9dk >

You didn't start in the middle of the whole array. Can you try an even number of gates and put the roller in the exact middle?

I don't see what the middle of the array has to do with anything: when the roller exits the array, it is not being attracted back; it would continue until friction stopped it, but the array will not pull it back. That's the unusual thing, unlike any rotor/stator arrangement I have seen: the rotor gets free and clear of the stator.

Once the rotor leaves the first array, why couldn't it follow a cuved path to a second array and a third, etc., until it returned to the first array?

[Omnibus]

Sprain should re-jigger his motor so that the magnets on the circumference become a stack of two sets of tri-force magnets. Then the rotor would whirl between them and he would have OU without the need for the electromagnet. It looks like clanzer is setting up to do that anyway.

Do you think this is what Steorn is using for its Orbo? Let's hope not, since we've seen how useless that turned out to be.

Again, it won't be able to make full turns without the aid of an additional field. To convince himself @CLaNZeR has to do what @Ice D'Bear suggested:

CLaNZeR:
    Also just posted a 3rd video as a answer to somone commenting on YouTube

    < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVEOf0q9dk >

You didn't start in the middle of the whole array. Can you try an even number of gates and put the roller in the exact middle?

I don't see what the middle of the array has to do with anything: when the roller exits the array, it is not being attracted back; it would continue until friction stopped it, but the array will not pull it back. That's the unusual thing, unlike any rotor/stator arrangement I have seen: the rotor gets free and clear of the stator.

Once the rotor leaves the first array, why couldn't it follow a cuved path to a second array and a third, etc., until it returned to the first array?

When you start from the middle of the array the rotor won't be able to leave the first array. It appears that it can when you start it asymmetrically but in the symmetric case it can't. Like I said, when all the arrays are intact a set of cooperatively formed uniform troughs and hills appears and even when starting from a given hill the energy gained going downhill will always be less (because of losses) than the energy needed to climb up to the top of the next hill. Unless a properly superimposed external field helps in that climb.

[Grimer]

Sprain should re-jigger his motor so that the magnets on the circumference become a stack of two sets of tri-force magnets. Then the rotor would whirl between them and he would have OU without the need for the electromagnet. It looks like clanzer is setting up to do that anyway.

Do you think this is what Steorn is using for its Orbo? Let's hope not, since we've seen how useless that turned out to be.

Again, it won't be able to make full turns without the aid of an additional field. To convince himself @CLaNZeR has to do what @Ice D'Bear suggested:

CLaNZeR:
    Also just posted a 3rd video as a answer to somone commenting on YouTube

    < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVEOf0q9dk >

You didn't start in the middle of the whole array. Can you try an even number of gates and put the roller in the exact middle?

I don't see what the middle of the array has to do with anything: when the roller exits the array, it is not being attracted back; it would continue until friction stopped it, but the array will not pull it back. That's the unusual thing, unlike any rotor/stator arrangement I have seen: the rotor gets free and clear of the stator.

Once the rotor leaves the first array, why couldn't it follow a cuved path to a second array and a third, etc., until it returned to the first array?

Mr Entropy on Steorn Forum makes an important point.

"After playing around with my son's magnetics set, it looks to me like there's a big potential hill of repulsion
you have to push through to get the rolling magnet into the starting position where it starts to attract."

I rather assumed that CLaNZeR would have noticed this but maybe not.

If the gate array field is terminated by hills at each end then there is still the possibility of motion in a large circular array. But I would like to see a long linear array first since this might well show breakdown. I suspect movement is only possible because the field lines are coming together over the first half of the assembly and coming apart over the second. In short, there can be no movement where the lines are parallel. With a very long magnets I think the lines break out which is why you can't have long magnets. I seem to remember Cyril Smith making this point.

That ends the devil's advocacy. 

There may be other factors such as rotation which could be important. The experimental demonstrations are certainly very enticing.

[Omnibus]

Paul Sprain is solving that business with the needed external field radically through "brute force"--he creates that external field by spending energy externally. This may prove to be the most efficient practical way of handling this matter after the reality of motors producing excess energy continuously is accepted by the society at large. For such acceptance to occur it is necessary to demonstrate continuous production of excess energy by superimposing conservative fields which exist without spending of any energy to create them..

[Omnibus]

@Grimer,

I think it's only necessary to perform what @Ice D'Bear is proposing. If putting the roller in the exact middle of even number of gates still allows the roller to overcome these gates I'd be really impressed. This will be really the solution  to all the problems we're facing. I doubt it, though, unless an external field is properly overlaid to assist or if a way is found, as in @alsetalokin's device, to have the device itself create changing fields.