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Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read

Started by rhombus24, January 06, 2008, 07:15:17 PM

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Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 09, 2008, 03:41:05 AM
There is no such thing as energy from a vacuum. The idea is idiotic.

Logic dictates that if you can pull ANYTHING out of a vacuum, it was not a vacuum to begin with.


Hans von Lieven

Not according to Lee-Tseung.  While a vacuum is not a fuel, it is an energy carrier.  :)

angryScientist

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    * Enlightenment is man?s leaving his self-caused immaturity. Immaturity is the incapacity to use one's intelligence without the guidance of another. Such immaturity is self-caused if it is not caused by lack of intelligence, but by lack of determination and courage to use one's intelligence without being guided by another. Sapere Aude! [Dare to know!] Have the courage to use your own intelligence! is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.

    * Through laziness and cowardice a large part of mankind, even after nature has freed them from alien guidance, gladly remain immature. It is because of laziness and cowardice that it is so easy for others to usurp the role of guardians. It is so comfortable to be a minor!

    * There will always be some people who think for themselves, even among the self-appointed guardians of the great mass who, after having thrown off the yoke of immaturity themselves, will spread about them the spirit of a reasonable estimate of their own value and of the need for every man to think for himself.

    * A public can only arrive at enlightenment slowly. Through revolution, the abandonment of personal despotism may be engendered and the end of profit-seeking and domineering oppression may occur, but never a true reform of the state of mind. Instead, new prejudices, just like the old ones, will serve as the guiding reins of the great, unthinking mass.
      All that is required for this enlightenment is freedom; and particularly the least harmful of all that may be called freedom, namely, the freedom for man to make public use of his reason in all matters. But I hear people clamor on all sides: Don't argue! The officer says: Don't argue, drill! The tax collector: Don't argue, pay! The pastor: Don't argue, believe!

    * The public use of a man's reason must be free at all times, and this alone can bring enlightenment among men...

Immanuel Kant (22 April 1724 - 12 February 1804)
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It was true before and it is true now.

Earl

Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 09, 2008, 03:41:05 AM
There is no such thing as energy from a vacuum. The idea is idiotic.

Logic dictates that if you can pull ANYTHING out of a vacuum, it was not a vacuum to begin with.

Hans von Lieven

Once upon a time there was a vacuum.  There was nothing in it.  Totally empty.

Then along came Niel Bohrs and others and lo and behold the vacuum turned out not to be empty any more.  In fact, it never was empty.  Pre-QM scientists thought it was empty, but they did not understand the extremely bizarre world of QM.  You have a vacuum with nothing in it and suddenly virtual particles appear from nowhere.  And they they just as suddenly disappear again, only to be replaced by other virtual particles appearing from nowhere.  One big batch of frothing aether, everywhere in the entire Universe, in between atoms, in between electrons, in between protons and neutrons.  In the hardest vacuum, with not a single atom, the frothing aether is still there.

Since the notion of a pre-QM vacuum has no connection to a post-QM vacuum, I don't believe in using the expression "energy from the vacuum".  That is a bit old fashioned and confuses people.  One should instead say energy from the zero-point, or energy from aether, quantum energy, or energy from the space-time-continuum, etc.  Please try to ban the word vacuum from your vocabulary when talking about "?nergie quantique".  To be blunt, old Farts might still use the term vacuum in connection with FE, but younger people born after Niels Bohr do not.

Niels Bohr said that if QM did not disturb you to your core, than it went over your head and you did not understand QM.
It is that revolutionary and non logical.

Experiments have even shown a real sub-atomic particle hitting another non-existent sub-atomic particle and bouncing off at an angle.  It can not be excluded that our Universe is oscillating with its copy and that at certain instants of time and space as they slip by each other, they merge.  Maybe the quantum foam is caused by two Universes, closely-spaced in quantum-time and quantum-space, but with quantum-phase-noise in time domain and space domain?

I have seen a scope trace from a colleague doing a HF-electrolysis experiment, where a loop indicated that time had gone backwards.

I'll repeat it:
"The entire knowledge of mankind is zero plus delta, where delta approaches zero."
Earl

By the way, governments, banks, oil companies, and the MIB only control inventors that want to make money from their invention.  Those that give it away for free and later hit the jackpot by preventing global nuclear war over dwindling energy resources are uncontrollable.
"It is through science that we prove, but through intuition that we discover." - H. Poincare

"Most of all, start every day asking yourself what you will do today to make the world a better place to live in."  Mark Snoswell

"As we look ahead, we have an expression in Shell, which we like to use, and that is just as the Stone Age did not end for the lack of rocks, the oil and gas age will not end for the lack oil and gas, but rather technology will move us forward." John Hofmeister, president Shell Oil Company

hansvonlieven

QuoteOnce upon a time there was a vacuum.  There was nothing in it.  Totally empty.

Then along came Niel Bohrs and others and lo and behold the vacuum turned out not to be empty any more.

Wrong!

Parmenides 510 - 450 BC said clearly that there is no such thing a a vacuum, in fact a vacuum could not exist in the universe. Quantum mechanics just took up the idea. Johnny come lately's by 2500 years!   LOL

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

b0rg13

ok stepping away from the vacuum BS , let look at the question being asked here.......

>>>>Why Governments suppress Free Energy! <<<<


...k here is the answer, some of you may be shocked, and even get upset ::),but here it is.


>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE THEY CAN AND WE LET THEM!(thats right you heard WE let them F**** with us and we love it, if we didnt LOVE IT,they would be jailed untill the bastards did the right thing.) , theres your answer,now all you have to do is keep sucking it up like you have been and stop ask stupid questions.<<<<<<<<(shessh) ::)
if you want to get out of the rat race,you have to let go of the cheese.