The Tesla Project

[armagdn03]

@Armagdn03

"generally there is an oscillation superimposed upon the fundamental vibration of the current."

I read this statement a little differently, I see the fundamental vibration as Einsteins "quanta" that is at the smallest level energy will move in descreet pieces, most likely at the rate of vibration in the matter of the source.The superimposed oscillation is what we would measure as a changing current which we have produced, I cannot help but think that if these two frequencies (fundamental and superimposed) should coincide at super high frequencies or a harmonic thereof that we would see a "resonant rise", as we would be in "tune" with nature. So we agree!
I would also agree that anywhere we see an inductance and capacitance we will have interaction.

I think this statement is very relative to the secondaries of our circuit, fundamentally matter must vibrate at super high frequencies, as well matter is bound by very high electrostatic charges. So if we are to "interact" with matter to produce a resonant rise we must produce resonant conditions, that is currents of high frequency and potential. In this case the Primary/Secondaries could be considered the "other" power source in this circuit, the resonant rise in the secondaries gives the primary a "kick" and this kick helps maintain the current oscillation in the circuit as a whole.
To simplify things I consider the large self-inductance as having the properties of a large flywheel of great mass (inertia) and the secondaries as having the properties of a small flywheel of relatively small inertia but great velocity. In this context we could say a small flywheel at great velocity can have the same energy as a large flywheel at low velocity but the small flywheel will accept rapid accelerations/decelerations more easily---- such as required for a resonant rise condition. Could this be Tesla's means of producing "undampened waves"? 

P.S.--- some of you may have noticed that as inductance is added to L1 the voltage and duration of the oscillations is increased and as the capacitance C is reduced the frequency of oscillation is increased. So it would make sense that we would want to maximize one and minimize the other.

Quanata? fundamental frequency? I hope you are yankin my chain as it were! the fundamental vibration is given by the well known equations for determining the ressonant frequency of LC circuits. The imposed frequency is a hamonic provided by the circuit controller affecting the coil of high self inductance. Why are we complicating things again? hmmmm

And.....Tesla states what the device in question on 177 is for, there should be no arguement. Come on now guys.

[quantum1024]

Sorry, going to interrupt here, my spark gap is firing -- lol

There are so many variations upon this LCR theme it?s hard not to consider that there may be unseen and unknown variables still available to play with. What is also nice is the fact that all modern computer power supplies (hint- high voltage components, caps, transformers, etc?), discarded electronic devices have a large assortment of components  ready for experimentation.

I have pretty much read everything that Tesla has written and spoke of, he always seems too mention the three main components together, namely LCR. I have read it, however understanding it is something else Tesla is an ENIGMA in the highest form.

@ allcanadian
I absolutely agree with your statement that ?fundamentally matter must vibrate at super high frequencies; as well matter is bound by very high electrostatic charges.?

Matter is held by atomic forces but wiggles and deforms under pressure, while maintaining stability of some form atomically. Electrostatic charges are purely electrons and ions, non atomic per say (not held as rigidly to the atom, free to exchange). At absolute pressures and temperatures matter breaks down.

As a simple thought experiment, picture induction heating. An open secondary coil that will heat a piece of steel to red or even white hot through induction when inserted. The electrons are moving so rapidly that the atomic structure is starting to feel the strain, in this example both temperature and charge moment (together with eddy currents) create the right conditions for a semi atomic breakdown/meltdown. It can no longer handle holding things together very well. It could be thought that this condition is a resonant condition between the coil and the material being heated. Steel, in this case resists the current and hence gets hot.

As for the undampend waves, I have a funny feeling that he?s referring to the longitudinal wave in motion. The longitudinal wave is a single impulse that has long range. In multitudes (pulses) within a coil, it flows like DC with little resistance or inductive reactance.

@Barbosi --- we cannot get passed from charging-discharging a capacitor
Put interrupter circuit or mechanical interrupter in parallel with the output capacitor, allow cap to charge then discharge after some interval to the load.

@armagdn03 --- I know, I couldn?t help myself?lol

This now ends the spark gap firing sequence.. Thank you for your attention?would someone please up the voltage now!

[armagdn03]

there is not fundamental frequency of matter, period.  As it stands there are multiple "base" particles, off the top of my head, electrons, muons, taos, electron neutrinos, muon neutrinos, tao neutrinos, up quarks, down quarks, top quarks bottom quarks......yadda yadda yadda. You will not find a fundamental frequency, no matter how hard you try, Keely gave up at the "infinite ninths" and he was further than modern physicists!

IF we are talking about Tesla, lets talk about what Tesla said! Yes he used 3 main components, and he gave us precise instructions on how to use them, there is no enigma! How about we back up all conjecture from now on with either experimental evidence or written text from the masters. This stuff just subtracts. Tesla didnt even speak of electrons! He had a unifying theory that included Gravity! He did not agree with Einstein! Einstein died frustrated because he could not solve his own dilemma!

[Grumpy]

Tesla's means for producing undamped waves is "shock" or "impulse" excitation - just like ringing a bell or tuning fork.

This initial impulse for excitation can be produced by the discharge of a condenser or collapse of the magnetic field of an inductor - Tesla preferred the condenser.

An "undamped wave" is just that - a wave that continuous to oscillate rather than dying out quickly.  Tesla was able to induce oscillations that he claimed would last for months or even years.

When Tesla got a good handle on quenching of the initial impulse, he found something very interesting...

[allcanadian]

@barbosi
My purpose for the diode was to show builders an easy way to measure the voltage rise through an inductive discharge, this is much easier when there are no oscillations as it can be done with a multi-meter on the capacitor. It was not meant to be a permanent fixture in this circuit but could if your purpose was to simply charge a cap to high voltage, one impulse in my setup can charge my cap to 250v from a 12v source.

@armagdn03
I think you may be correct about the fundamental frequency, I took Teslas statement out of the context it was given , however we cannot discount matter as matter determines the properties of LRC. I am trying to keep an open mind to "any" possiblities and state these possiblities for all to consider.

As it stands there are multiple "base" particles, off the top of my head, electrons, muons, taos, electron neutrinos, muon neutrinos, tao neutrinos, up quarks, down quarks, top quarks bottom quarks......yadda yadda yadda

I would disagree with you here, I don't recall Tesla ever mentioning any of these fantasy particles ,  Tesla and later even Einstien stated that physics had become a delusion having little resemblance to reality, they and many others believed there were only a few basic components that makeup everything and I would tend to agree with them. Lately I read some articles in "discovery" and other places that changed my opinions about Albert Einstien, later in life he admited he was wrong about most of his "theories" but nobody would listen, he was a good man as his goal is our goal---to understand.
So we agree to disagree, I would not have it any other way.

@Grumpy

This initial impulse for excitation can be produced by the discharge of a condenser or collapse of the magnetic field of an inductor - Tesla preferred the condenser.
An "undamped wave" is just that - a wave that continuous to oscillate rather than dying out quickly.  Tesla was able to induce oscillations that he claimed would last for months or even years.

That's a good description and to the point, this is something I have been trying to understand for a long time, how can oscillations continue for months? Do you have any insight into how such a thing could be done? I can only imagine the implications if we could do this in Teslas circuit.