Just spin, or do work? That is the question.

[Omnibus]

@omnibus,

For one who does not make the difference between total energy and input energy, paranoid fixation in defending their completely infantile positions makes an acceptable excuse.

But what other excuse than stupidity exists when one is told I?m done with him and he continues?
There is no other explanation. So please post more to confirm it.

Again: I?m done with you. Do you need it spelled?
Good bye, good luck and don?t forget to take the SMOT.

Tinu

The very fact that you don't understand that what you call total energy is also input energy (part of it out of no source) proves your confusion. To lift a ball from the zero potential energy to a position where the ball has energy (mgh1 + mgh1 + Kc) needs energy input. The total energy of the ball at C is (mgh1 + mgh2 + Kc) but this is also the energy input (imparted) to the ball compared to the zero gravitational potential energy at A.

[Omnibus]

Same thing is when you lift a ball from the floor (at gravitational potential energy 0) to the table which is at (h1 + h2) height from the floor. On the table the total energy of the ball with respect to the floor is mg(h1 + h2) but that energy is also the energy input (imparted) to the ball to lift it from the floor to the table. Simple as that.

You'd better learn these things first before engaging in such discussions.

[tinu]

@omnibus,

You really need to prove my point above, don?t you?

In A the ball has plenty of potential energy (Ma).
Ma is not zero and it can not be zero since you already have chosen Mc=0.
This Ma potential energy, if you need to be educated, is due to SMOT position; when you are done with SMOT (I doubt you will ever be but lets assume for a second) and decide to put it back to its place and the ball elsewhere, you spend Ma Joules every time. So, this is not unaccounted, neither is Mb.

I doubt you can understand it since you made such gaffes in the past and keep continuing like a broken robot. But I don?t care anymore. You had your chance. Now I definitely made my mind. I do not consider you have much if anything of relevance to say to me and I?m done with you. This is the third time I say it. I don?t want to say it again. Got it now?

Tinu

[Omnibus]

@omnibus,

You really need to prove my point above, don?t you?

In A the ball has plenty of potential energy (Ma).
Ma is not zero and it can not be zero since you already has chosen Mc=0.
This Ma potential energy, if you need to be educated, is due to SMOT position; when you are done with SMOT (I doubt you will ever be but lets assume for a second) and decide to put it back to its place and the ball elsewhere, you spend Ma Joules every time. So, this is not unaccounted, neither is Mb.

I doubt you can understand it since you made such gaffes in the past and keep continuing like a broken robot. But I don?t care anymore. You had your chance. Now I definitely made my mind, I do not consider you have much if anything of relevance to say  to me and I?m done with you. This is the third time I say it. I don?t want to say it again. Got it now?

Tinu

No, no. I'm talking about the energy (mgh1 + mgh2 + Kc) which isn't at point A as you incorrectly understand. You're confused and it's better not to continue because discussing it with you won't lead to anything of substance but will only serve to clarify your confusion. You should clarify confusion of this type only by yourself without bothering other people.

[Nutcake]

@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise on these matters because you?ve shown embarrassing misunderstanding of elementary physics, let alone that you can?t in any way vow that such motors haven?t existed throughout history. You?ve heard this here and there but you aren?t actually privy as to whether that?s true or false. Further, implying that @alsetalokin?s device runs on an external power source which he hasn?t identified is obviously frivolous let alone it also implies that @alsetalokin is being fraudulent. Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

Omnibus

Please stop cluttering the thread with your insults on other members.
please comment on the point not the person.