Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[springfield]

The experiments Thane mentions discounts simple magnetic flux getting into the motor, but it is fully in line with how the aether acts.

Vince even showed that the motors output IS increasing.

Thane has simply demonstrated that a single coil may be constructed which is sufficient to direct aether down a reasonably continuous path which would be insufficient to conduct flux down a discontinuous path.
But that a whole compliment of coils can increase the aetheric pressure to direct aether through a non ferrous rotor and or PVC shaft.

Addition: If I agreed with Thane about nothing of consequence being conducted down the shaft then the device could indeed be showing nothing more than a reduction of eddy and hysteresis breaking.
A shorted coil will act to oppose and changes in flux in the core and it will reduce the core losses and if by any chance the coil losses are less than the reduction of core losses then you have shorted a coil which reduced breaking, I would add that this is BELIEVED to be possible and observed reasonably commonly (though it may be Thanes effect at play unknowingly), and  hence I could not say for sure under such a circumstance that there would need be anything extraordinary about Thanes device.

However it has been proven that something significant is conducted through to the shaft and having a significant impact.

@aether, OK, so what your saying is there IS actaully feedbakc down the shaft but its aetheric not EM - and that means even the brass piece or the long pvc tube can conduct it but needs either higher speed or more coils in the generator - because it doesn't condut aether as well as steel does. And that aether effect is enough to vercome the magnetic breakig in Thanes device so it accelerates intead of slowing down as it normally would. So far so good but is actual movement necessary for the aetheric effect? Because I want to build the torroid transformer thatalso uses Thsnes effect but theres no motion there of course. Sorry, I don't have a good grasp of the aether thing yet.
-Mike

[aether22]

NO I WAS GETTING ACCELERATION FROM A 10 K OHM COIL.

Ah, I wasn't totally clear on that demo, so no real upper limit then Wink

MY VERY FIRST TRANSFORMER COIL WAS 388 OHMS.

IF ALL ELSE FAILS I WILL SEND YOU ONE OF THE 12 WORKING COILS I NO LONGER USE.

Well I'll try some tests first but yeah sounds like it might be a good idea, but my uwave transformer sounds right.

IF YOU PROMISE YOU GIVE IT BACK SOME DAY I WILL EVEN SEND YOU THE 8 COIL MONSTER - BUT SHIPPING WILL BE NASTY AND YOU MAY GET IT IN PIECES.

Tempting, well the first line anyway Wink

IF YOU CAN MATCH THOSE MICROWAVE TRANSFORMERS IN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO - AT ABOUT 100 OHMS IN THE SECONDARY AND YOU ADD ANOTHER 100 OHMS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT WORKING AND I WOULD USE AN AIR COIL TACH IF I WERE YOU.

Ah, my microwave secondary is 100 ohms, sounds like it is worth giving it a shot, and you think an extra 100 ohm  coil for good measure, will try. (I might just see if I can source a second microwave transformer)

As for the air core tach, do you have it trigger off the rotor magnets and then divide by the number of magnets? Or do you have a single tiny magnet placed somewhere near the shaft for it?

GOOD LUCK
Thane

Thanks.

[aether22]

@aether, OK, so what your saying is there IS actaully feedbakc down the shaft but its aetheric not EM - and that means even the brass piece or the long pvc tube can conduct it but needs either higher speed or more coils in the generator

That is what I believe is happening yes.

- because it doesn't condut aether as well as steel does

More so as well as a continuous path, maybe steel is better also though.

. And that aether effect is enough to overcome the magnetic breaking in Thanes device so it accelerates intead of slowing down as it normally would.

Yes, now why the aether does this is another subject with several possible answers, but at this point let's just say the aether can be mysterious and do amazing things and work out the details later. (soon)

So far so good but is actual movement necessary for the aetheric effect?

It is possible to create an aetheric flow with solid state setups, but creating a reliable effect of a given quality is somewhat beyond where I am at as yet, after all my replication which was as close as I could get still failed, probably because the wire was longer or of a higher resistance than I calculated. (I overshot my ohm target by almost 3 times!?!)
Although then again based on Thanes invaluable reply, maybe the wasn't it, hell maybe I wound the coil in the wrong direction, or..........

Because I want to build the torroid transformer thatalso uses Thsnes effect but theres no motion there of course. Sorry, I don't have a good grasp of the aether thing yet.
-Mike

That's Ok, I consider I do have a good grasp of the aether and yet I still have no idea what's going on!

I have a bunch of theories as to why my current attempt has not met with success and I don't like any of the theories, in fact I'm going to try one more test (compare plastic .vs steel shaft) in the morning once some glue has dried due to the long shot that the Lenz Law retarding effect is equal to the aetheric acceleration and hence balances out, but if I block the latter then hopefully success.

Sadly I have lost a bunch of light switches I used to have and so shorting the coils is still a highly charged issue for me, hopefully I'll figure out where to get some tomorrow.

Hopefully the microwave secondary is a better choice.

[markzpeiverson]

You have misunderstood the Uncertainty Principle. The probabilistic nature of QM is NOT to do with the ability/inability of instruments to measure accurately enough. It is much more fundamental than that. Google the subject and you'll find the proper interpretation.

...Care to explain how we are able to measure and distinguish elements which are on the order of the Planck length (10^--34m)? 

-M

Where did you read that? Doesn't make sense to me.

Not going to use this forum's BW to discuss; move to email if you want...
-M

[aether22]

Sometimes on this forum my questions will not be answered if not direct enough, so just in case:


I WOULD USE AN AIR COIL TACH IF I WERE YOU.

What magnets do you use to run the Tach? The main Rotor magnets and then divide by 6 or 18?
Or do you have a single(?) smaller magnet closer to the shaft?

In part I ask because in generators like these a single pass by a magnet can create a double humped pulse.

MAJOR Update: I taped 2 neos to the shaft of the bench grinder (actually a nut on the shaft) in attraction and used an air core coil and MOST of the time it gave me the correct reading, but stragely if I touched the motor housing it would screw it up.

But the rest of the time it read 49 to 50 hz which is about right (It is also what the optical tach would read, though I wasn't always happy with it's readings), although it is a lower slip than I think the motor Thane is running and maybe too little to show the effect obviously maybe.

I have also secured 3 microwaves and possibly more so my odds of finding another 100 ohm secondary seem very good, I will pick at least one of them up tomorow.   With that I lost interest in frustrating myself with more tests of the current setup I felt sure would fail, plus I can pickup some well prices SPST switches from Jaycar when I get the microwave/s.

Hopefully the microwave secondaries will do the trick, if they don't then it is most likely the motor is too high powered or runs on too high a voltage.

Actually it just came to me that possibly the reason my coil failed could be it's shape.
A coil in a generator in effect has a very low effective impedance since it's self induction and the induction from the rotor are for the most part equal and opposite.

However if my coil takes up too much space, or runs too far then it is induced less which in effect increases it's self induction or 'impedance'.

The microwave transformer secondaries are not very deep, they all get induced rather equally.

This also brings me to another point that may be worth mentioning.

Thanes HV coils aren't, they are only really HV when open circuit at which point they have little effect.
When they are shorted they have very little in the way of conventional voltage, which is to say an imbalance of charges, this is because every inch of wire resists current and every inch picks up an induced voltage, If the coil were 'perfect' there would be no 'charge imbalance' voltage.

However that is not the only kind of voltage that in fairness exists, if you know the ohms, the current and the 'left over' impedance you can tell how much voltage there is when shorted (Which IS NOT the same as the open circuit voltage due to the current in the generator coil cancelling the rotors field), and while it will be something it will not be near as much as when it is open circuit.  (Another way to tell is to have another cowound coil (of a fractional number of turns) that remains open circuited and measured for voltage the whole time, you can even compare the voltage it has when the other coil is and is not shorted to see the voltage drop)

And what happens when you add 2 such coils together? (refering to 2 HV coils as in the uwave transformer demo)

From a standard electrical view, very little when shorted, the difference between shorting a coil through it's self and through an identical coil induced identically is zero because no charge imbalance voltage is generated.

And this other 'type' of 'voltage' is different in that it does not really add up, 1 + 1 is not 2, it's just 1 over here and 1 over here,  A voltage is generated by each inch of wire and is 'expended' over that same inch of wire because the current is allowed to run at it's limit.

An analogy would be the difference between a 90 mile river and a 2 mile river, if water flows at the same speed and volume past a point it does not matter how much more river there is up stream or down stream. (until you build a damn, then it makes a huge difference, depending on how mach area you are willing to flood)

In the same way you will have the same number of electrons flow past a section of wire at the same speed in a 30 gauge wire shorted coil around a time varying magnetic field if it's 1 turn or 1,000 turns. (That is not actually quite true because 1,000 turns will create more counter emf, but a 1,000 single turn loops would be identican to a single 1,000 turn coil)

Thane, if you do not believe me then when being careful to run the motor at the same speed (while leaving the HC coils open) measure the current flowing through the HV coil shorted in series, and each one shorted individually, you will see the same current in both instances)

That is absolute fact ELECTRICALLY, however the aether is another matter entierly!
More turns means a faster more powerful flow.
Thanes recent results still insist an aether (or other 'out there' theory involving 'something else' flowing in the wire besides electric fields and electrons).