Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[hoptoad]

@hoptoad, thats interesting. Do you think there could be some resonance effect with the mains frequency? EG in yr example at 1000 rpm it will be 50 HZ, same asline frequency (in UK) so might be expected some kind of resonance in feedback down the shaft, whether it aether or EM or whatever. So exact motor speed could be critical?
-Mike

@Springfield
It's certainly possible that resonance is partly responsible for Thanes observations using an inductance motor driver. I hadn't really considered that angle with respect to the importance of frequency.

Probably because I used DC drivers, and frequency is not really a major factor affecting the driver side of the equation. Hmmm. Interesting question though.

However, there is only a critical minimum speed (frequency) for the "kick in" to occur for any given coil, and any speed above that will always result in an increased electrical and / or accelerative torque O/P. This tends to rule out resonance, because the effect occurs over a wide range of frequency, so long as the frequency is above "kick in" minimum.

Heres a link that explains the relationship of resistance versus reactance (impedance) in an AC power circuit.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electric/phase.html

The important factor in the total (Z) impedance of the circuit is the "phase angle" between voltage and current resulting from the relationship of the resistance and reactance (X_L and X_C) of the coil.

Note that in the explanations shown,the total resistance (Rt) should include the internal resistance (R_IN) of the coil plus the resistance of the load (R_L).

Since all coils also have a small amount of internal capacitance, then the total reactance (X_T) is shown as the inductive reactance  (X_L) minus the capacitve reactance (X_C) .

   important factor....hmmmmm   

KneeDeep

[aether22]

Recap

Let's start over, I feel that momentum and direction is being lost. (None of this message will be news as such to anyone who has read the whole thread)

I plan on making 2 posts, This one is the case for Thanes generator technology and a bit on what is so far the only explanation that can cover all the evidence: "The Aether" since magnetic flux and generator producing torque have been disproven and no other theory has been proposed or seems likely to be.
note: Magnetic flux was very well disproven by Thane in experiments that used non magnetic rotor and shaft materials with an excess of coils.

Thane has shown that when shorting (or heavily loading) generator coils that consist of many turns an acceleration occurs in Induction motors, he has seemingly also found some effect in universal motors.
And possibly related effects have been found in DC motors.

This by it's self might be plausibly be explained as reducing the losses in the core as the coil reduces the EMF in the core (by creating the opposite EMF) so it WILL reduce core losses and that this improved efficiency may be less than the coils Lenz effect is possibly no surprise at all since unlike the core the coil has no hysteresis losses only inductive.

However 4 facts disprove this mundane conclusion.

First some stators do not cause acceleration unless the generator and motor have an all steel shaft connecting them. (I have argued that Thanes magnetic demo fails to account for the difference due to the feeble nature of that effect and the steps required to demo the effect (removing motor face plate) and with a total lack of objection from Thane I feel the case for magnetic flux pushing it over the required speed to show the acceleration effect is extremely unlikely)

Second Vince (Where are you Vince? and others who have replicated the tech and gone quiet) has shown that the motors torque does indeed increase by measuring the torque on the casing.

Third Thane has demonstrated that the effect requires so called 'High Voltage' coils which consist of a rather large number or turns, this would not be a requirement for a core loss reduction effect.

And finally Thane has demonstrated that the motor turns a little faster with the stator coils shorted than entirely absent!  Which is very impressive!

Another possible reason for acceleration on shorting is reduction of cogging torque, I am mentioning it as an artifact to be wary of as it has no ability to explain the vast majority of Thanes effect.

Also the use of laminated cores makes core loss slightly less likely as the core loss effect is generally seen in cores of low quality, however I have also shown that in open magnetic circuits laminated cores still have a significant level of eddy current losses. (Although partially closed magnetic circuits are showing Thanes effect)

Also disproven is that it is any oddity related to induction motors.
While it is established that induction motors are inefficient at low speeds and at high speeds can pull less current while delivering more power, just because it might have enough power were it rotating faster it still needs something to act on it to make it rotate faster in the first place.

And the effect has been demonstrated well beyond the speeds where induction motors have any such characteristic.

It is not yet known (by any evidence I am aware of) if the effect is a 'Free Energy' effect or if it somehow reduces losses in the motor, however either way it seems that a very useful and enlightenibng anomoly is present which is readily replicable and has been successfully replicated by everyone who has made honest attempts of it except yours truly. (I also believe that aetheric technology is easily 'retasked', this could for instance make research into antigravity very easy)

Thane is being funded and is building a Buggy but does not seem interested in doing experiments to uncover the principle cause of the effect at this time, though is steadily uncovering more about the effect.

While I wish Thane were directing his developments in different directions I do wish others who have replicated the effect did not seem to leave soon afterwards with seemingly little interest in advancing the understanding of this vitally useful technology, so let's see what should be done to understand this technology better in the next post I make.

[aether22]

Experiments:

There are 2 types of experiments that I would like to see done, in fact I am even considering paying Luc or Larry or someone to preform some of them if I don't get results myself pretty soon!

One type tries to verify and test the nature of the effect, to deconstruct it.
The other uses aetheric principles to try to increase the effect, this message will focus on the former only.


Measuring the effect:

Small measured mechanical loads, with and without generator. (as fought for by Jacksatan, it has real merit but is limited in usefulness as it puts numbers on the effect but does not tell us anything new about the effect besides it's magnitude, though some feel that looking at performance curves will be enlightening what it can tell us is limited.)

However Thanes test where the free wheeling speed of the generator is greater with the coils shorted then when not present seems to confirm that this results of this test would be positive, and so it's priority is low.

Replicating Vince's brilliant tests to substantiate his results seems like a very worthwhile effort also.

The REAL experiments:

Surrogate Stator:

Energize a coil from the generator (possibly best to be a relatively tight air core coil of not so many turns, although as long as the generator still accelerates when shorted it's Ok) and apply it's flux to another motor (or possibly the motor running the generator if isolated with the brass/pvc coupler or belt) and see if it is effected. (possibly rectified and smooth)
Then switch powering it from a conventional source of electrical power which matches the electrical qualities in the previous test to see if it is just the magnetic field or something else in the current.

Also I recommend trying it rectified and possibly smoothed, see if each pole has the same impact on the motor.

Update: To replicate the coil and magnet config which may prove critical also try a version where a magnet is attached to the motor shaft with the coil pointing at it's face. (the magnet rotating around it's long magnetized axis like a Faraday generator)

This also present opportunities of powering other devices with this electroaetheric power.
The reason few have been able to replicate Teslas effects with TC's is because Tesla used generators which output a fair aetheric component where the grid these days carries little aether component.

Surrogate Motor:

These 3 are a progression, if one fails no use in going further
A: Feed flux from the generator into a motor (try induction and other types) which is not mechanically coupled but has some load on it (The gen. is driven by belt from a separate motor), have the shafts as close as possible or even lightly brushing if possible and rotating in the same direction preferably.

As the evidence for something coming out of the generator shaft and flowing into the motor is strong it seem this experiments would have excellent odds of success while also verifying absolutely that the effect is being applied to the motor.

note: This test can also be done in a quick and dirty version by Larry, Thane or anyone with one of these generators in about a minute, though with a higher chance of failure there is almost no investment.
Simply get the generator running and shorted, then get another motor of any type freely available, apply a load which could possibly be fingers applied to a smooth shaft and possibly something to protect against friction burns, then approach the generator and place this motors shaft against the free end of the generator shaft, or near the coils, rotor magnets or the other end of the bench grinder.

B: Hold the shaft of the motor under test in the above experiment still measuring it's static torque with varying levels of input from the generator.

C: If it works try effectively the same thing but with with a linear motor. (AKA an AC or DC powered coil attracting a piece of steel or magnet, try feeding the steel/magnet or the coil)

Next Step:

If test B or C or the surrogate stator work then these tests become possible:

Make an electromagnet or transformer with large hysteresis losses, see if the generator (aetheric) output can lower the hysteresis. (under the theory that the motor power gain may be due to a reduction of energy wasted due to hysteresis)

There are many other tests that can be done if the Aether can leave the shaft or surrogate coil and effect other devices, you may test various transformers especially types with a loose coupling, radio reception/transmission and so on, this could lead very easily into making a Free Energy electrical generator!

You could test projection of magnetic fields especially when multiple stator coils are in use or from the surrogate coil.

Finally since I copied much of this from an old message I am updating I'll include:

Amplification of the effect when various shorted coil forms are wound over the shaft. (possibly in series with the gen coils) - aether theory

Amplification of the effect by use of radioactive materials, very high voltage electric fields and UV or Xrays. -aether theory (all of these energize the aether)

If you can think of a test to add, then please speak up.

[vince]

@ Aether

Just to let you know I am still around.  I do read this thread everyday to see what is going on.  Contrary to what you may think I have not lost interest, just the "Time" to experiment.  Spring and Summer Are busy for me, so I have not been able to continue with my efforts. As far as remaining silent on the issue there are several reasons for it. First, my background and education are mechanical engineering and I do not feel qualified to comment on many of the issues that are debated here. Secondly,  even if I did have a opinion on any these findings, it is almost intimidating to make a comment for fear of saying something that is either totally obvious or just stupid.  It is no secret that the comments can get mean and sometimes personal. 

Just to let you know that before I tried my experiments with the small motor I had tried it with a larger 1 HP motor and found it impossible to get any noticeable acceleration if any with it.  If I remember correctly you are using  larger motor and it may require a lot more coil and windings to really load it to show the effect.

Regards
Vince

[aether22]

@ Aether

Just to let you know I am still around.  I do read this thread everyday to see what is going on.  Contrary to what you may think I have not lost interest, just the "Time" to experiment.  Spring and Summer Are busy for me, so I have not been able to continue with my efforts. As far as remaining silent on the issue there are several reasons for it. First, my background and education are mechanical engineering and I do not feel qualified to comment on many of the issues that are debated here. Secondly,  even if I did have a opinion on any these findings, it is almost intimidating to make a comment for fear of saying something that is either totally obvious or just stupid.  It is no secret that the comments can get mean and sometimes personal. 

Just to let you know that before I tried my experiments with the small motor I had tried it with a larger 1 HP motor and found it impossible to get any noticeable acceleration if any with it.  If I remember correctly you are using  larger motor and it may require a lot more coil and windings to really load it to show the effect.

Regards
Vince

I am very happy that you are still around, and yes the comments can get mean but that should be less true.
First most of the mean stuff was from or to the 'Spooks', the worst of them are gone, I will not debate with them anymore and neither will Thane clearly since I have pissed him off somehow. (I think by him insisting he was right (which may be true in an experimental basis) when simulations following strict electrical rules say I am right)
And Thane would sometimes get understandably sensitive due to the attacks and sometimes think his friends were his foes but again he has 'given up' discussing which though sad and IMO might hurt the discovery means that your comments should not draw any fire.

Thank you very much for the comment on motor power, while I have controlled the power so that it acts in a very puny way maybe it is the power rating of the motor getting in the way, I value that comment!

With the larger motor did you control it with a Variac, transformer or Triac or other power controller? (just to separate the issue of rated motor power .vs actual power input)