Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[i_ron]

HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST ME FOR A NICE SETUP LIKE THAT? I AM IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ANOTHER PROTOTYPE TO GO WITH MY NEW MANUFACTURED COILS. ALSO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO ASSISTING CALIFORNIA DUDE'S TEAM WITH THEIR X PRIZE CAR?

ALSO WHAT IS THE RPM @ 60 WATTS?

VIELEN DANK FUR IHRE GEBOREN HUMAN

T

Bitte schön,  but it is you that has been leading the way!

That picture is from my RV (roto verter) days and is/has been my mule and acts as a half assed dynamometer, in that core drag and lenz drag shows up as an increased watt draw somewhat
proportional to the actual numbers. Not at all accurate but handy when comparing apples and apples.

I have a three and a five horse but both are only 1740 RPM which is a bit limiting.  I have had the
three horse running in the low 20's and the five runs with no load at 45 watts? but with the rotor on
it is up in the 50's... I was just going on memory and so rounded it up to 60 to be on the safe side.

But it runs at line frequency so there is no variable speed allowed, (like with a variac)

If you wish further info on this...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter

That said, I think your DC motors are the way forward, as for the rotor, Kator's info is of prime
importance and it seems that luck has been with you all along and why I was suggesting that you
not depart from the winning formula... or at least be aware of the part that the "skeleton" rotor and
the cups play in flux coupling. I was thinking that a steel rotor is still possible but with the stipulation
that it be fingered, that is one finger for each magnet and experiment with the amount of coupling
allowed to achieve the maximum "thane effect" follow me?

I am not really in a position to build anything for you, or california... but am willing to assist in 'other'
ways (free advise)... but that's quite a compliment, thank you.

And as for the adoption... forget it, one square head in the family is enough...es tut mir leid, LOL

Ron

[CRANKYpants]

That said, I think your DC motors are the way forward, as for the rotor, Kator's info is of prime
importance and it seems that luck has been with you all along and why I was suggesting that you
not depart from the winning formula...

Ron

SOME SMART GUY TELL ME THIS... IF YOU ARE ROTATING A DC MOTOR WITH DC INPUT AND THEN MANUALLY ACCELERATE THE SAME MOTOR - DC INPUT STILL THERE, WOULDN'T THE DC MOTOR START ACTING LIKE A DC GENERATOR SENDING DC OUT THE OUTPUT OF THE MOTOR WHIST DC IN STILL COMING IN?

THANKS
T

[broli]

It sounds like a rhetorical question  . I would say yes, There's a back emf in the motor coils which lowers the input from the source. This is why I'm curious on whether acceleration without a motor would ever become possible here and then using a motor to get energy out instead of using it as the input.

[i_ron]

SOME SMART GUY TELL ME THIS... IF YOU ARE ROTATING A DC MOTOR WITH DC INPUT AND THEN MANUALLY ACCELERATE THE SAME MOTOR - DC INPUT STILL THERE, WOULDN'T THE DC MOTOR START ACTING LIKE A DC GENERATOR SENDING DC OUT THE OUTPUT OF THE MOTOR WHIST DC IN STILL COMING IN?

THANKS
T

Yes, that is correct.... up to a point. The law of diminishing returns sets in and you would find that the
DC motor as a generator is not terribly efficient, 35%, 75%? but the theory is correct, as Broli says...

CHECK YOUR MAIL

Raspy Ron

[Kator01]

Hi I_Ron,

Yes, I know this. What I did not know is this publication. Thank you.

aside from the "holocaust," which remains immune from critical studies, almost any
aspect of the war, however embarrassing to the victors (e.g., the
strategic bombing campaign), may now be studied without fear of
retribution.

I found this one interesting here. Some member here discovered this :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004&ei=qZxWSbjAKIiG2wLp4Kk_&q=david+cole+auschwitz

There are 2 parts. Research done by a young Israeli. Very interesting.

Now back to the book. This physics-text-book was printed in Leipzig ( East-Germany ) 1940 - 21 years before the iron curtain was build. I remember the first pictures of this event published on our first Black/White-TV-Set when I was 12 years old.

The interesting thing in this book is that the concept of ether was still valid and the word ether is used in many topics like : "Elektrische Erregung des Welt-Ã,,thers" ( electrical exitation of the world-ether ) etc.
It is a good teaching book with many revealing practical experiments which open better and easier access to the
physical principles at hand.
Especially the spark-inductor reveals some important aspects which I have transferred and translated in my last document including the way to escape the Lenz-Backlash-effect ( ! )
Ron, if you are interested to have this paragraph as a copy here, I will place it in the download-section.
I think this paragraph is very important and I will translate this if there is time.
look at the pics.

@thane : have you ever compared your coil-setup with the magneto-design of the early 30´s ? I did.

I was doing a research on magnetos for another reason. When I saw these pictures here ( please forgive me its in german, but the pics are clear) the coin dropped :

Working priciple of the Tecumseh-Magnetic-Ignition.
Please notice that the secondary-coil is not shon in pic 2 and 3. Secondary is wound on the primary in this principle :

http://www.motoruf.de/mo/info/Arbeitsweise_der_Zuendanlage.php

Now here is a graphic of the meagneto-power compared to our standard-ingnition-systems used
in our cars. This is the reason that this magneto-ignistion is use in flight-mortors:

http://bt-h.biz/terrytweaks.htm

The pole-wheels in the following link carry the magnets in the inner rim. The advantage of this design :

1) centrifugal forces hold magnets in place ( pole-wheel is made of brass )
2) pole-wheel has bigger mass-intertia and can be scaled to any size.

http://www.motelek.net/zundanlagen/ebay_mhkz.html

http://www.motelek.net/bosch/wartung/polrad/demontage1.jpg

http://www.motelek.net/bosch/wartung/polrad/uld1l_polrad.jpg

These magentos were used in old german Kreidler-Motorcycles I can remember the guys working hard on the mechanical kicker in order to start the motor and saw the flicher of the light because motorcycles at that time had no batteries and the magneto was also supplying the power for the light.
Here are the Kreidler-Freaks :

http://www.kreidler-verein.de/
Go to the "Bildergalerie" and have a look a these old-fashioned motorcycles

Very powerful. This was the reason they called it "Lichtmagnetzünder" (dynamo magneto):

Bosch-History here :

http://histor.ws/dmag/desintro2.htm

Now, do you know what I have in mind ?

Regards

Kator01