Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

Nice story...I'm glad your hard work is pushing this forward to possible applications Thane.  As always, really hope it all works out.

JUSTME, NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU AFTER ALL THIS TIME - I FIGURED YOU MOVED TO NEW ZEALAND AND STARTED MAKING BABIES WITH A22 OR SOMETHING?
AND WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING HERE ANYWAY  IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING BABIES YOU CERTAINLY OUGHT TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR FREACKIN' SENS.  OR ELSE WE WILL ALL HAVE TO LEAVE TOWN FOR SHAME.

I HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU!

CHEERS
T

[CRANKYpants]

VERY NICE SETUP THERE - PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE WEARING BODY ARMOR 

The first part of the video shows the rotor only, no coil/core, running on 72 watts.
This is the base line. Note the 3419 RPM.

THIS IS NOT BASE LINE - THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT MAGNET GENERATOR WITH REAL COGGING TORQUE AND CORE LOSSES IT IS A OPEN AIR FLYWHEEL WITH NO USE AT ALL.

Next, the rotor, with core and open coil, running on 148 watts.
The difference then is the core drag, which lowers the speed to 3217 RPM.

THIS IS THE BASELINE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION CORE QUALITY (WHICH COULDN'T BE LOWER IF YOU ARE USING A VERY CHEAP CHINESE MOT).

SO YES CHEAP CORES COST YOU - ANSWER USE BETTER CORES WITH NARROWER HYSTERESIS CURVES.

ALSO YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE COGGING TORQUE WITH MORE THAN 1 CORE - IDEALLY YOU SHOULD HAVE 18 COILS ALL STAGGERED CORRECTLY.

Finally, with the switch to the HV coil closed, the rotor accelerates to 3330 RPM and the draw reduces to 123 watts.

SO YOU ACCELERATED A 10 LB(?) MASS FROM 3217 RPM TO 3330 RPM AND INCREASED THE STORED INERTIA (ENERGY) IN THE FLYWHEEL WITHOUT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL ENERGY TO THE MOTOR - BRAVO YOU JUST VIOLATED THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE AND THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY!

Now this is with a solid rotor but the obvious conclusion is that the drag is reduced but the rotor does not reach the free run speed and the wattage does not reduce to free run draw.  Incidentally the coil resistance is 123 ohms and the voltage on the analog meter reads 900 volts.

NOW TAKE THE ROTOR OFF - AND YOU WILL GET AN EVEN BETTER FREE RUN SPEED - SHOULD BE ABOUT 3600 RPM - IT HAS NO USE AT ALL BUT IS SOUNDS COOLER 

So if your HV coils do better than this I look forward to the numbers. But these are the numbers that everyone is asking for, so please post your numbers in this format. Obviously I have not included the HC coils contribution to this process; I leave that up to you to explain. Because in my mind this is an important point that really is the heart of the matter.Ron

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SEND YOU SOME REAL SILICON BASED CORE MATERIAL RATHER THAN SOMETHING MADE FROM AN OLD B52 BOMBER?

YOUR ACCELERATION WILL BE IMPROVED AND YOUR CORE LOSSES REDUCED.

TEST:
PUT A SOLID CHUNK OF HARD STEEL IN YOUR COIL AND LET US KNOW HOW CRAPPY YOUR RESULTS ARE THEN.

T

[fred2890]

Hi everyone,
I think that, even if the motor need 200w to run, with heins device, we can get out 8-9watt without any change in the 200w to the motor  /or at least, no elevation of demand power to drive the motor. So if we put his device between a motor and the transmission of a car, the motor doesn't feel that we are taking 8-9watt and all his power go trought the wheels, so there a 8-9watt *free* and it can be more if a lot more of HV/HC coils are use.

For the people that doesn't agree with thane when he said that his *generator* is OU,  you forgot one thing: the shaft is turning. We can extract more energy with a conventionnal generator, or with thane generator.  The fact that you cant disagree with, is that the input power doe's not increase when we extract power...
200w= x rpm (kinetic energy)
200w= y rpm (kinetic energy)+ 8-9watt

It's not only the comparison between 200w and 8-9w, because there is kinetic energy in the shaft...  you learned that is physic class no?

fred
good work everybody!

[CRANKYpants]

Hi everyone,
I think that, even if the motor need 200w to run, with heins device, we can get out 8-9watt without any change in the 200w to the motor  /or at least, no elevation of demand power to drive the motor. So if we put his device between a motor and the transmission of a car, the motor doesn't feel that we are taking 8-9watt and all his power go trought the wheels, so there a 8-9watt *free* and it can be more if a lot more of HV/HC coils are use.

For the people that doesn't agree with thane when he said that his *generator* is OU,  you forgot one thing: the shaft is turning. We can extract more energy with a conventionnal generator, or with thane generator.  The fact that you cant disagree with, is that the input power doe's not increase when we extract power...
200w= x rpm (kinetic energy)
200w= y rpm (kinetic energy)+ 8-9watt

It's not only the comparison between 200w and 8-9w, because there is kinetic energy in the shaft...  you learned that is physic class no?

fred
good work everybody!

THANK YOU FRED - WILL YOU MARRY ME? 
THAT 8 OR 9 WATTS COULD JUST AS EASILY BE 8 OR 9 HUNDRED WATTS WITH THE SAME 200 WATTS OF KINETIC ENERGY.

T

[i_ron]

NOW TAKE THE ROTOR OFF - AND YOU WILL GET AN EVEN BETTER FREE RUN SPEED - SHOULD BE ABOUT 3600 RPM - IT HAS NO USE AT ALL BUT IS SOUNDS COOLER 

T

Be serious for a minute, run the rotor only up to a given voltage, record the amps and the RPM,
this is your baseline.

Put a crappy mot core on and run it up to the previous voltage and record the amps and RPM… this is your core drag for that material.

Now put your new core material on and do the same thing… this will give you
the core drag of the new material.

You can then look at the numbers and do a “how much less drag the new material has” comparison.

But you start with a baseline, then as you add one core... two cores or more then you have some
idea of what the cost is...

Ron