Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

Then if that works replicate the same current through an identical coil, same amps but from a normal source such as from a normal transformer connected to the mains, see if this current with the same ampere turns has the same level of performance boost.I don't see how this would give an indexed metric?

You have a bit of a one track mind, it won't but it will inform of the nature of the current in the coils, the motor accelerating performance is not linear with current as already established by hoptoad so that the current is not just electric has strong evidence, but this would clinch it, if that works it can be made solid state.

Another test is to freeze the motor and measure the static torque (preferable with a DC motor) with and without aether/back-emf/whatever.

Finally apply the output to different electromagnetic devices to see if it decreases hysteresis, if it reduces eddy currents (doubtful), if it increases magnetic field strength or if it increases pulling or projecting of a magnetic field, see precisely what it does to increase motor (and possibly also generator) function.
[/color] This last one flew way over my head... you may need to demonstate it with finger puppets...

It has an effect on the motor, motors have similarities to other electromagnetic devices, you can see if a motor is the best thing to apply it to and see precisely how it reduces losses (if that is all it does)

That should really read 'I am not AWARE of any scientific base...", personally I am. - To the contrary, as you so rightly pointed out, since it is so stigmatic to associate with the 'free energy' movement, respectable scientist in the field are hard to come by... thereby leaving the existing base of data very heavily weighted toward wackos... (this is not meant to offend, but you seem intelligent enough to recognize that even if 'free energy' exists, 2 out of 3 people who believe in it are tin foil hat types...)

Hey, what you say'n about my hat!
Anyway sure but there is evidence that is scientific not by respected scientists 9even if they should be0 and there is evidence by respected physicists who manage to wrap it up in terms the rest will accept.
Also there are devices made by wacko's that never the less illistrate what is really going on.

It could of course lift any weight with the right gearing. - and "I could move the earth if I only had a place to stand" - I said vertical pulley no gears - direct weight proportion.

Ok then, it deoends on the diameter of the pully.

[hoptoad]

@aether22

Quote:  "Just acquired a ramset masonry anchor as recommended by hoptoad for the cores, and as I went to get it guess who is right next door to my Mitre10? The previous location of the Ramset factory and present location of their wharehouse!  What are the chances!"

........You're not Irish are you ? ......Talk about Paddy's luck...

Quote:  "I am going to visit their (nearby) factory to see if I can just buy the piece I want.
Sadly though it seems their current design is slightly less optimal than when hoptoad was buying them. (short sleeve in 2 pieces)"

It would be good if you find out exactly what this alloy is. I'm curious, as I never did find out the actual elemental makeup of the alloy's constituent metals. It would also be good for best comparison purposes, if you could get the sheaths without the holes as well.

To objectively test the metals electron yield properties as it reacts to the rotating magnets, you need to compare as close as possible, that is "like for like" with other core material, and core types. So try also to get a small amount of soft iron (tube and solid), some non retentive magnetic stainless steel (tube and solid), all of the same or nearest diameter. Also get some "I" laminate. In the case of laminates, calculate the outside circumference of the tubes, and that will give you total length of 1 single coil winding.

Use this length to calculate the height of your laminates, based on the width of the laminate being equal to the outside diameter the tube.

Make numerous hollow, solid and laminated cores, all of the same length.  Wind just 10 turns of .5 - .62 mm wire (not critical for test purposes) onto the alloy core, noting the length of the piece of wire it takes for 10 turns. Allow an extra measured small length for each end of the coil for attaching to loads and meters. Then use the same length of wire to wind 10 turns on every different core type. Place your windings as close as possible to one end of the core.

10 turns is enough to compare O/C and loaded conditions of the coil, and will save you a lot of copper, time and winding effort, to see which core material and type is capable of producing the greatest output. Use a small, but real resistive load, like a 1.5 volt globe. When you've discovered which gives you the best O/P at just 10 turns, then use that material to carry out your experiments with the number of windings and wire gauge you desire. I will be extremely surprised, if you don't get the best O/P from the alloy cores.

However it may well turn out, that the alloy, as well as the sheath type, has been changed by Ramset. But with Irish luck, hopefully it's the same. If it has, they might still have all the specs, and may be able to recommend a supplier.

I personally have no idea how a solid steel rotor will perform with reference to a non lineal braking response in an open magnetic system.
All my experiments involved the use of non metallic rotor material to minimize any magnetic coupling between the alternator coils, and the driving motor. That's because all my experiments were focused on the study of this effect in open magnetic generating systems, and not on motor systems.

It may be possible that the steel rotor is diverting the effect away from the alternator. But I truthfully don't know, because I,ve never tried it. But the conclusions I drew from my own experience, is that the configurations I used, raised efficiency by lowering losses at any load, compared to a closed magnetic generating system. A different focus altogether from Thanes experiments, but possibly related just the same.

As I've already stated on my own website, "Please don't take a single word I have to say on this page as explicit "truth ". PLEASE reproduce your own motor/generator experiments as outlined on this page. Please Verify Effects For Yourself!!!

That goes for core design also. If you find something superior, then please inform me. If you find something that disagrees with my conclusions, please inform me. I'm always open to learning, and if shown to be wrong, will adjust my understanding according to the information given.

For anyone unfamiliar with my experiments with open systems alternators and how it relates to this thread, try this link below.

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/         Read pages 8 and 10
Cheers all   

[jacksatan]

Mark - "energy can neither be created nor destroyed"

[jacksatan]

Aether - the diameter of a quark...

[aether22]

........You're not Irish are you ? ......Talk about Paddy's luck...

By majority yes.

It would be good if you find out exactly what this alloy is. I'm curious, as I never did find out the actual elemental makeup of the alloy's constituent metals. It would also be good for best comparison purposes, if you could get the sheaths without the holes as well.

I did manage to get the latter, they have it in 2 pieces on he bigger bolts, one with holes one not, though the one without only has one but not 3 like the bottom one.

. I will be extremely surprised, if you don't get the best O/P from the alloy cores.

I guess I am a bit lazier than you, and since I figure you are right anyway why bother?

However it may well turn out, that the alloy, as well as the sheath type, has been changed by Ramset. But with Irish luck, hopefully it's the same. If it has, they might still have all the specs, and may be able to recommend a supplier.

I am sure I have seen the same metal before, holding hard drive Neo's or something like that.
I doubt they have changed it, should do for my initial tests.

I personally have no idea how a solid steel rotor will perform with reference to a non lineal braking response in an open magnetic system.
All my experiments involved the use of non metallic rotor material to minimize any magnetic coupling between the alternator coils, and the driving motor. That's because all my experiments were focused on the study of this effect in open magnetic generating systems, and not on motor systems.

I suspect that what is happening is that the aether is improving the efficiency of the generator in your setup and that the reason it is not apparent in Thanes system is simply that it never goes fast enough without the coupling to kick into action and maybe doesn't at all. (effecting the motor must be easier)
So the real interest would be when the generator approaches the unloaded speed when shorted and insulated from the motor, and then connect it to the motor anyway so that both are either at just about no loss or hopefully OU.

Thank You hoptoad, I am sure that your research will help in pursuing this effect, please stay around, your research is impressive.
I am sure you must wish you could join in experimenting so I hope that becomes possible for you.