Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

i can furthermore demonstrate the decrease in the potential energy by
adjusting the ramp such that the magnetic force against the roller is greater than the gravitational force at the vector angle of the ramp.

The roller entering into the field has a finite energy value (momentum) after having dropped down the ramp from point A to a point approaching the influence field. At this point, there is no magnetic potential between the two opposing field. As the roller gets closer to the outermost (effective) lines of flux, the force of the magnetic field begins to play a part on the movement of the roller, as it moves more into the field it reaches the energy value of the moving roller (imparted onto it by gravity E=mhg), and the roller stops at this point. - the vector angle at this point is based on a completely different ramp angle than the first experiment. and thus the data obtained in two experiments are not cross-comparable without taking that into account.


the derrivitave of this energy over the distance is the increasing Force value of the magnetic field (in the inward direction) - exactly the same value derrived by the original equation a few posts back.

as you move further into the repulsion zone the magnetic potential energy increases.
This is exactly like lifting something through the gravitational field.
the potential energy now includes the greater distance of the repulsion field from the new point of the roller to the outer edge of the influence field. the further you move into the repulsion zone, the greater the potential energy is. This is easily demonstrated - but it somewhat unimportant as it only applies to the pole-switch interchange between the repulsion and attraction zones, at the entrance and exit of the gate. These two forces are interchangable, and cancel each other out.

What matters here is the region of the field outside of the magnetic influence the magnetic potential is essentially 0.
( ok, ok fine, it isnt 0, its more like 0.00000000000000000000000001 - happy now?)

The difference with gravity, is that it is attracting, rather than repulsing.
were gravity to repel us out into space from the surface of the earth (inverse of gravity) - the 2 fields would be in parallel alignment, and would thus be proportional to one another at any distance X from the source of the fields respectively.

[also to note is that in the measurement of these two energy values the gravitational field utilizes time in the equation, whereas magnetism uses distance.
Now - from the force value you can calculate the time.
But the magnetic field is actually independent of time, thus time cannot be used to derrive the energy value of the magnetic potential.][ it "can" but time is adjusted by a scalar factor of the magnetic moment, where-as time remains constant within the gravitational field. - thats a little deep and isnt important here, just know that you should not derrive the distance from the time the roller takes to travel through the gate - this leads to inconsistencies because of a fundamental error]


i suppose you can view this as ::  The magnetic potential is incrementative as it approaches the source of the field, and decrementative as it departs. - this is exactly what i said, just from the other perspective.  the ammount of incrementation depends on your unit of measurement.
commonly accepted is the Meter.
however we are dealing with a much smaller field, so we use 0.5 millimeter.

So to say that at 1mm inside the field :
               you now have the magnetic potential energy of 2x (0.5mm) - this is not exact because the force is greater during the 2nd half-mm, but this gives a basic description of how the energy accumulates as you approach the influence field, and pass into it.


i'm only taking you up to the inner edge of the repulsion field - as the pole-switch would take several pages to accurately portray - i'll just sum that up with a flying trapeeze-man when he grabs onto a swinging bar in mid-air and flips himself around..  imagine all the little flux-lines doing this in procession as they reach their maximum point of compression and snap back to their 'natural' position. i have not seen an accurate/consistent depiction of the energy values even in a pair of single-dipole interactions. Much less in something as complicated as the Tri-Force. at this inner barrier when it switches poles you have +3 and -1 + the effects of the cummulative repulsion barrier you just passed through, which is also mishapen by the roller moving through it. <- we're just gonna skip that, it occurs so fast its hard to even see it happen.


Outside of the field of influence - moving inwards towards the gate, there is a distance through which there is (almost)  0 magnetic potential between the roller and gate up to the edge of the influence field. In this region or even further out if neccessary for emphasis - the gravitational potential is constant. This is verified by repeated tests. <<--- Try it.

[sm0ky2]

How come it decreases? Think again and don't waste more time. I want you to say loud and clear that you were wrong and now you understand that magnetic potential energy increases with distance despite the fact that the force decreases. I want to hear it from you.

I won't allow anyone to play these games and get away without admitting elementary errors he makes. It's not a crime to make mistakes, everyone makes them. It's wrong to try to conceal your errors and try to make it appear as if you've never made them. This is a game @alsetalokin is playing and he has to be held accountable for it.

Do you understand now?? you were looking at it backwards. The direction of the force-vector is OUTWARD - up the ramp.

i dont care if you admit that you are wrong here, physics stands on its own feet. but i will not allow you to steer people away from this device. there is a clear anomaly here that needs to be understood. So get in line and start being the scientist that you say you are, instead of dismissing everything posted in this thread, and claiming SMOT-victory. This is not healthy behavior.

[Omnibus]

No, admit your error. We can't proceed with this kind of misunderstanding.

[sm0ky2]

No, admit your error. We can't proceed with this kind of misunderstanding.

i have made no error everything i have said can be verified by your own eyes in the experiments you have elready seen.

the increasing magnetic potential in a repulsion field is in the indward direction, not the outward direction.

[Omnibus]

No, admit your error. We can't proceed with this kind of misunderstanding.

i have made no error everything i have said can be verified by your own eyes in the experiments you have elready seen.

the increasing magnetic potential in a repulsion field is in the indward direction, not the outward direction.

So, is the potential energy decreasing with distance when the force is decreasing with distance?

This question you won't be able to elude.

Admit your error because with it we cannot continue the discussion properly.